Just another Sport Dog - Page 10

agree with last post susie, but disagree with statement nobody cares, many LE personell definately care what they are taking on the job with them, and they definately dont want an overly social prey only dog unless they have a detection only dog

but it definately matters if you are looking from a sport, or companion or PP or

Patrol point of view

Is this dog cornered, or is he meeting the decoy in a forward attitude? 

The whip is a first for him to ever be exposed to, the entire scenario new environment for him.

Btw, this was a test to see if the dog was 'bluff' when strangers/visitors showed up or would he follow through with a bite. He was never worked in any bite work by his owners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgdZZx7SSgU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

also a PP dog dont need to catch a suspect running away, that is stupid if you have a dog to protect you you dont sent it out after a guy on the run, Agood PP dog can function well on line only or in small circel around you, sending him out will leave you unprotected

Agree completely with not 'sending' a dog after a person running away. If the dog won't bite while on a short leash, he is useless as a PPD, IMO.

I always try "to look" from the breed point of view, although I am no breeder...
The GSD intentionally is no "police dog" breed, but a "working dog breed", that should be able to live in an active, knowledgeable companion dog ( not "pet dog" ) home. At this point most problems arise ( a lot of pet homes believe they are knowledgeable companion homes ).
Personally I like the extremes, but those dogs were never ment to be the norm, they simply are too much for unexperienced people.

You can easily teach a social dog to not be social through training, the opposite is almost impossible. I’ve seen plenty of dogs that are sold to the United States which are labeled as civil and not social, who after a few weeks of different helper work can have the sleeves slipped and don’t even think twice about spitting it and coming back after the helper. This means that the aggression and the “civil” was taught through training. Teaching a dog to focus on the man and have aggression for the man is not a difficult task, certain dogs are easier to do this with than others and there are definitely dogs that can do it naturally and also dogs that can never be taught to have aggression towards the man, but the vast majority of properly driven dogs with decent enough nerves to bite can be taught to show aggression towards the man and it is easily carried over into “real” applications. The dogs are also generally much safer “in public” or in the home because the aggression is contextual. So while I agree that a police department has no use for an overly friendly dog that has no inkling of natural aggression towards a human, the vast majority of properly bred GSDs, mals, and other working breeds will always have enough to work with and can be taught.

A truly genetically civil/aggressive bite anyone dog is useless for most people and Susie is correct that in today’s society the dog is more of a liability than a benefit. There are very few applications and possible homes where such a dog is useful and there are very few jobs which cannot be done just as effectively with a more social, public safe, prey balanced dog. The majority of pet dogs and sport dogs are never going to encounter a true threat and it’s much easier and safer for their owners to own a more social dog that is then taught contextual protection rather than some monster who needs to be managed to make sure it doesn’t bite every person it meets in it’s life who 99.99% of the time are not a threat and do not intend to cause harm.

.most dogs of any breed will become more aggressive when cornered or chained to a post.

First time the dog was ever on 'back tie', is not the same as what you are talking about....dogs chained up etc. The back tie is for the safety of the decoy. Didn't you learn anything about restraining a dog when the Canadian was down under?

Just to help you understand, vk, I am standing next to the dog with a fur saver collar and a leash in hand. The dog is not even 'aware' that he is 'backtied' because he has zero experience with it. Far as he 'knows', I am holding him back when he moves forward toward the decoy.

The dog has a lot going on that he never heard or saw before, he handled extremely well...BTW, the look in his face at the end of the clip, is what anyone gets from him who comes too close to me. He is obedient which is imperative for a dog like this.
People can look in the van when he is in the big wire crate when we go to the farm store...that is the look they get, no barking.
Good to know that he would not back down when challenged.

OK the dog isn't chained to a post, its backtied with a chain to a post with a second leash held by a handler.

Thanks for clarification.

No, he is not chained, and it's not a post. So you didn't learn anything from the Canadian...too bad for you.