Franken Dogs - Page 2

In regard to 150 lb German Shepherds, years ago my first 2 German Shepherds (mother and son) were around 75-80 lbs. I sometimes heard people talk about 150 lb German Shepherds and wondered what they must look like. When selling my house later, I overheard a potential buyer on the phone telling his wife "these people have two 150 lb German Shepherds" and I then knew what they looked like. 😁

OP: " I believe the Altdeutsche Schäferhunde comes closer to this breed standard as many breeders in Europe have tried to hold on to the original dog that the world fell in love with."

In case your definition of "Altdeutsche Schäferhunde" is the same as mine, at least in my country those are longcoats without working titles required, the "clubs" neither member of VDH nor FCI...

When SV banned the long stock coats those clubs ( you can´t even call them organizations ) came up - BUT they don´t ask for working titles ?!?

Something different are the so called "Altdeutsche Hütehunde" ( old German herding dogs )
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altdeutsche_H%C3%BCtehunde

Those dogs are no "breed" - but the attempt of active herders to preserve the "original" German Shepherds in all their variety.

Ask any K9 handler if they would rather lift up a 95 lb dog or a 70-80 lb dog.

There are lots of breeders in USA and Canada who breed within standard, you just need to do more research and get out to see dogs training at sport clubs.

My male, from Cz lines, is 70-ish lbs, very fast (like Mal fast), agile and quick.

All my dogs, from overseas and here in the states, have been within the breed standard for height and weight. I think some of it has to do with over feeding as puppies. If you over feed a dog while it's growing, it'll grow faster and bigger. I know because full littermates to some of my dogs are huge while mine are standard.

In reply to mixing in breeds to get 140lbs GSD, all you have to do is breed the biggest dogs to the biggest bitches, keep the biggest puppy and breed him/her to the next biggest dog, etc, and you'll get huge dogs. You don't need to necessarily mix in breeds, but I'm not saying it hasn't been done.

Ya guess weight , bone structure and head size doesn't matter , man I've been wrong all
Along .... why not get a min pin and I can stuff it in my pocket and it's prob gonna last longer and live to be 30 years lol this is why I can't take anyone here seriously .. first of all 98% of the contributions on these post are from people who've never owned a working dog or currently do but own or raise rescues and mutts and foster rejects but somehow are experts in The matter .

 

So what are your credentials that make you the expert, Shawnicus? Besides an ego, that is?

Shawn - if you don't mind sharing with all of us what makes you such an authority on the GSD...

A 140 pound gsd is ridiculous ( although I've seen them
Close to that ) , but a 100 pound male standing at 26-27 inches with stout body and limbs whose not overwheight is ideal ( at least to me ) and they can work just as well , but remember a gsd isn't a Mali or a Kelpie

It's not a coincidence that the straight wall jump was eliminated from the Schutzhund test around the time the show line dogs started to get bigger and heavier and more angulated. I'd like to see modern dogs do this. There is NO WAY they'd have the aglility. I've seen a lot of show lines at my club that couldn't do the window jump or the A-frame. It's basic physics: the heavier the dog, the harder it is for it to jump.

Prior to 1968 the standard had weight limits as well as height. Bitches 45 to 65. Males 65 to 85. We still see some of those pocket rocket bitches. Talk about fast & agile!

A good size for males is 73 - 76. Fast agile strong enough to take down a man. Can climb a ladder or be lifted into a warehouse window to search. Yet to see 100lb+ that meets all those criteria.

Bevs right too cant tell you the # of times people thought my 65-75 must weigh well over a hundred.

Shawn you are missing another element -heart & drive.Remember the old saying it's not the size of the dog but the size of the fight in the dog.

One of the more effective police dogs in my area was a small mali cross probably between 50-55 lbs. On his very first street bite -guy in attic not coming out so dog sent in. Perp spread eagled so natural target was the groin. Needless to say this was a self rewarding exercise for the dog since he got an appropriate reaction from perp. Dog learned quickly and let me tell you no one wanted to work him even in a full body suit. He would lift a 200 lb man off the ground. Unfortunately they retired him after he evulsed 9 sets of testicles. 

By the way Shawn check out the air under the helper's feethttp://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=485683-remy. Weight=73lbs