IPO vs "Real Dog" - Page 7

Mithuna you are sad, MS said this on a forum, Joe Blow said that......get a life dude.

Bav your reading skills are not that great also, I dont want a dog to be agressive for nothing, just wrote that, but dogs need TO BE ABLE to adress agression when needit and sportdogs dont need it in all program, sorry that you get upset when I state that

If you know all that you claim to know you can see that it is not all prey that I work in with dogs, and that monster dog is fine, NOT titled but I got two awesome litters from him, a bunch of them are in KNPV and since you ask so nice here is one I kept myself at 5 plus months

https://youtu.be/ZW5c6E60P4A

So basically...you're allowed to completely remove what I say from the context and make some idiotic comment like I'm "throwing a tantrum." I clearly stated a dog that reacts aggressively in a situation where it's not necessary is most of the time reacting out of fear. You decided to now change that to "be able to address aggression when needed and sport dogs don't need it in all program." Congrats master importer, keep twisting what is said in order to sell dogs.

You've already got 2 litters on the ground from this dog?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=873885-training-or-genetics

Must be nice...I see why you're so against titling, it would put a damper in how much you can breed.

Oh and that video? Tons of defense. Basically all defense from what I can see. Who needs prey when you can work a dog in defense like that?

again reading is not your strongest point, to be able to adress agression is what I say

clearly you getting personal on me is because you are running out of facts

dont have litters from that dog, he is a policedog in USA in training right now, got pups from badass dog topic

and finally you are really clueless, why would anybody work a 5 month old pup in defence, but anyone with some knowledge of dogs can see that pup is not a all prey dog, but well balanced dog that is suitable for both IPO sport and streetwork

and you are right I dont give a .... about titles when it comes to breeding

Go back and take a look at what you said. You said I was throwing a tantrum when I wrote that MOST OF THE TIME a dog that shows aggression in a situation where the situation doesn't call for it is acting out of fear. You removed the second part to make yourself sound smart and rail on us "IPO folks." When I corrected you...you decided to add that you don't believe that and that you meant it that the aggression is alright as long as the situation calls for it. Keep trying to talk your way out of the fact that you are incorrect and were the first one to use any kind of demeaning language. Just get past the fact that you can't compete on any real scale in IPO and do what you do, no need to keep bashing IPO or any other sport that doesn't fit your "high standards." I get it, you're the master of all things working dog, no one else can find random dogs for $300 and send them to the United States for training for $2000. And the more you make people believe that your untilted dogs are way better than anything with a title, the more money you stand to make.

For those interested in "buzz words/vocab words"

Balanced = mediocre, not enough prey drive to have V scores, not enough aggression to be a "genetic PPD." A dog that will do whatever it is trained to do, but won't blow anyone away with it. Not a dog that can compete anywhere above a club level, and not a man eater that you should trust your life to. Just a middle of the road dog who if trained properly can accomplish a task and make the unknowing public believe it's something more special than it really is. A good dog, that is easily produced by the majority of breeders.

I think really good breeders try to breed really good dogs. The problem is trying to find one. Of course what is really good to you may not be the same to me. Hips/elbows that pass a stamp. Super temperament, clear headed. I think it is fairly easy to find them ( good breeders) if you take a little time and look. I agree that the hardest dog does not always win. I believe many top breeders would also agree with that. A compliant dog is easier to train for sure. But again the breeders I associate with are trying to breed really nice dogs. And if we get a puppy we cross our fingers it turns out. Most that are serious about the sport (IPO) are trying or do titled dogs are few and far between. Look at the members in any club and how many title dogs.
Regarding hardness. I wish my IPO 3 dog were more compliant. However he is a hard dog, but still won a dvg regional (95/93/96). With a TON of work . I am by no means an expert involved in this only a few years. However I do respect guys like Butch Henderson or Ron Marshall, folks with real experience and knowledge. If they say I have a hard dog, and they have worked god knows how many hard dogs for countless year I believe them.
I hope that helps.

People who breed for " V" scores, code: over the top prey, are just as clueless about breeding GS as the individual breeding FOR aggression only.
The GS is supposed to be a versatile breed, " balanced" in drives!...smh!
When I read some of this crap, I understand why it is so hard to find good working dogs!

I think you can have balance and extreme simultaneously, it sounds contradictory but its not. Of course you can have unbalanced as well, which can be excellent thing or bad depending on the job and match with handler.

I would say an unbalanced extreme prey dog is the right mix for stand alone detection, detection is more in demand by the agencies than bitey dogs anyway.

A balanced dog can be extreme and what you get is what you emphasise in training.

Intensity and balance are separate things, a balanced high drive dog is versatile.

An unbalanced high drive dog is a specialist.

Both are desirable, the balanced dog has more places it can fit but lacks the tools to excel at specialist roles but can still do them.

Assuming health, environmentals etc are equal.

I prefer a slightly unbalanced dog leaning toward prey with high drive/energy and intensity. Pretty much do everything.

Oh and fuk the BS off switch.

On this thread and this forum as well there are a few users who like to take the position that everyone is " telling a story " except of course , themselves.
Vk, BW do I hear you?