IPO vs "Real Dog" - Page 6

Apple I will try to relocate the thread where Mike spoke of being unable to break Carlos and some guy Jeff Olhsen was trying to advise him what to do.

I know he had to withhold food from Arko for 12 days when he first got him before the dog would let him in the kennel with him and I believe the issue with Carlos was getting him out of the crate.

apple wich is more reliable what you " I believe " or what MS says as a user on a forum?

those I would not call well balanced dogs LOL and not what I would be looking for

Duke they will call you one of the softer handlers.

Exactly...you can't handle a dog like that.

Just because the breeder produced ONE dog like that, doesn't mean the rest are like that. You don't need dogs like that for LE work so it means nothing to me that the breeder places his dogs in LE. They're probably good dogs, balanced dogs, that have the ability to work. So they get placed.

Get over the stories of one or two dogs. If you want to name particular dogs, I'll agree with you all day long about the types of dogs they are. If you want to talk in general...MOST dogs that react to NON-THREATENING situations without any reason are doing so out of fear.

No one is trying to discredit your gods. Relax. I'm happy for Ma and his experiences, they're his, they're not yours. You get told stories. You repeat those stories and believe in them more than you do in other people's because you ENJOY them more. You want to believe in these strong dogs that no one but a magical few can handle, and you want to believe that's what the GSD breed should be. Yet if that's what it was...you wouldn't be able to have one as you've already admitted your failing in handling a dog like that.

It has nothing to do with being a "softer" handler. It has to do with being able to accomplish the job you need the dog to accomplish, without higher risk of liability. A dog needs to be a useful tool, an addition to a department, not something that's going to cost them millions of dollars.

LOL, think I had several of those but dont wait for 12 days to get them out of kennel, but I wouldnot call handler agression disirable

BW you are calling dogs who react on non treathening situations reacting on fear, that is the typical IPO trainer tantrum for all civil dogs, there are more colours than black and white

Mithuna all I do is laugh when I read your posts u really don't have a clue . U can barely raise a good point do u think anyone here would think u could raise a strong hard pup😉

Again another person that lacks the ability to see "most." Nice wording by the way. Civil doesn't mean the dog should react aggressively to any person walking up to them. As someone that claims to provide the highest quality police dogs for the United States and claims most of them are bomb sniffing dogs I'd expect you to know that they are not just expected to attack anyone that comes within 10 feet of them. Or do all of those bomb sniffing dogs attack anyone that comes near them?

No dog should react in aggression if aggression isn't called for. Real or sport. It's a useless attribute.

How about you post more videos of how you test all those dogs in prey? Or of that monster "civil" dog that you got a few months back?

BW
we have been down that road already. I have explained that it is quite to continue to exhibit a behavior at the expense of physical safety. I explained about the studies at Columbia University on white mice and cocaine use ( they used it until they dropped dead ). You never explained why under all circumstances and all conditions this has to be false about the exhibition of aggression behaviors.
And like the other you are also telling a story. It is the readers prerogative to chose whom to believe .....just like how the catholics never accepted the protestants english translations of the bible.