Letter from Dr. Heinrich of the WUSV - Page 4

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by Swarnendu on 15 August 2016 - 21:08

Bavarian Wagon, IF the IOC forbids the use of certain technologies to enhance performance, do you think a country using the same should be allowed to participate in the Olympics?

I think Carl Lewis was the athlete who vehemently opposed participation of physically challenged persons with artificial limbs in the Olympics. His argument was that future advancements in technologies might one day enable the physically challenged sportspersons perform much better than the less fortunates.

And, shock collars really aren't THAT advanced a technology available only to the "fortunate" nations.

by Bavarian Wagon on 15 August 2016 - 21:08

Legally...they are only available to fortunate nations. Just because a country decided to ban them doesn't mean the rest of the competitors from other places should be required to follow suit.

The point is...the IOC shouldn't be banning training technologies. The SV shouldn't be banning them either. The United States already obliges the international rules of not having corrective collars on the trial grounds once the trial is officially started and the score books are turned in. On top of that, if you get caught using one during the time your dog is entered in a trial you can also be disqualified. Controlling training in other countries because you didn't have enough power/support to not allow a law to pass in your home country is way out of line for any organization.

by Swarnendu on 15 August 2016 - 21:08

But, USA has a voting power in THAT organization, which I think is 2nd to Germany only. So, there are democratic ways to solve problems, rather than over the top assertions that Germany has attacked the sovereignty of the USA.

I'm not suggesting that uses of shock collars is detrimental to the breed, that'd be determined after YEARS of research and debates.

My point is, if the governing body passes a rule, you either abide by that, or you get out of that organization, and start your own breed, which then will NOT be a GSD.

It may not be illegal to produce 160 pounds dogs and call them GSDs, maybe they are way better than the dogs within the standard, but.....

by Bavarian Wagon on 15 August 2016 - 21:08

Why so extreme? Why if the US leaves the SV would they not breed German Shepherds? 99% of the German Shepherds in the United States aren’t registered in the SV. SV is not the world wide registry of German Shepherds. The only reason the United States needs any affiliation with the SV is to participate in the WUSV. Other world champions need FCI registration, which is done through the AKC. Affiliation with the AWDF is necessary through one of the member clubs, but USCA can be a member of AWDF without being a member of the SV.

Do you have any idea how the US clubs are affiliated with the SV, how breeding is done in the United States with the relation to the SV, or basically about anything that happens in the United States that has to do with German Shepherds? Americans have been breeding German Shepherds without any regard for what the SV has to say for decades now...

bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 16 August 2016 - 00:08

The SV creates a crisis and then creates a solution to the crisis they created.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 16 August 2016 - 03:08

You don't even need to be a member of the SV or USCA to breed within the AKC. AKC is FCI. So you can take two untitlted dogs, breed them, take the progeny to Germany, put titles and Koerung on the dog and start breeding within the SV.

So yah... the dog has to be FCI, that's it and AKC is FCI.

by Swarnendu on 16 August 2016 - 05:08

"Americans have been breeding German Shepherds without any regard for what the SV has to say for decades now..." - and you support that ONLY because you are an American. But would you support a similar ATTITUDE from another nation for an American breed of dogs?

"AKC is FCI" - Really! I thought AKC is just another member of FCI. A member that shows complete disregard to the views of ALMOST all the other members, an overwhelming majority, of FCI and WUSV regarding German Shepherd Dogs. Democracy!!

by fring on 16 August 2016 - 05:08

people have bad memory or is not very smart. FCI bann french team 9/2015 for use of prong collar away from competition field in different country (switzerland,france). everyone know this is coming with FCI; FMBB same; so SV. if people don't' like, just not compete at. many adjust and forward go on level playing field with not stick hits or gun shooting. every who train know that training to ipo is not to work for assess dog for breed any more. no good trainer need prong or electric to do well in ipo but very good trainer, not many, use electric to make extremely well. if average, also not many, and bad, very, very many, trainer can not use electric, excellent trainer must not have to use and still be the best. so what's problem? we all see: bad trainer, which is most, is exposed for what it is with no tool for cover up: bad trainer.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 16 August 2016 - 11:08

So long the SV is being corrupt and disregards it's own philosophy, so long there is a "Do Not Ask - Do Not Tell" about the e collar for it's own top competitors, the SV can go and screw itself!

The entire thing is a sharade and farce and we all know it and that is whats pissing people off. It's not that the E collar is banned but that even WUSV judges are using it and get away with it behind closed doors and now they are supposed to punish their peers that are using it openly just like they are allowed to in their own country.

It's a farce!

by gsdstudent on 16 August 2016 - 12:08

Are UScA's SV foreign judges required to sign the pledge?





 


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