Serious hard GSD - Page 14

Why does that depict a 'hard dog'? Because he can run blinds? I trained my dogs to run blinds 1 thro 6 and then back again, 12 blinds, helper got into blind one, dog did h/b. So were my dogs hard dogs?
That doesn't look like old school training, looks contemporary. Nice dog doing nice clean routine.

Susie wrote: Within part C a good dog ( and most dogs able to participate at the BSP are good dogs ) has to be obedient although the desire to bite ( be it out of prey or out of defense Wink Smile ) is VERY high.

Susie, did you watch the second training clip? The handler show VERY impressive control of the dog when he's running the blinds. Even though the helper is cracking the whip to distract him, he still goes to the blind the handler tells him to go to, instead of seeking out the handler and going for the bite.

I'd call the training 'old fashioned' because the handler delivers a couple of hard physical corrections when the dog won't platz when told to. Remember the flack people gave Cesar Millan for 'kicking' the dogs he was training? Exactly what this guy does when the dog won't listen. Yet the PETA crowd would have you believe that sort of correction is going to rupture the dog's liver or break some ribs... They made such a fuss about it that Cesar had to stop doing it.

No Cesar here, Sun... we do have problems with e- and pinch collars though...

But honestly, this is "normal" training of a good dog on a high level ( I don´t like the "kicks" though, there are almost always better ways ).

About the "control"/cracking the whip while running the blinds - this dog is a BSP participant - a dog NOT running the blinds has no chance... it´s a lot of training, and most people don´t want to ( or can ) do it.

We are talking about YEARS of training, most often 5 times the week ( tracking, obedience, bitework ).

That's the point, sunny, the dog is in drive and corrections are not as likely to shut the dog down... With the high prey drive he is loaded and focused on the reward = decoy with sleeve. Susie was talking about part b obedience where the dog doesn't have the reward of sleeve to keep him amped up, so mistakes are easily seen and correction may not be taken so lightly by the dog.

Distractions with whip cracking while running blinds would not be done during early training, but more for proofing.
A club where i was proofing a couple of my dogs, the club director stepped into the path of my dog between blinds 4 and 5..with the decoy wearing the sleeve. when my dog blew past them it was much to their supprize...the decoy had to hussle his butt into the hot blind before my dog got there. They tried to mess up both my dogs I proofed...both dogs were obedient and did as I trained them to do.

That 'correction' in the vid was pretty minor compared to what it takes to train a strong dog.

Susie, we posted same time :-)

I give up. Forget about it. Not worth wasting anymore time.

Compared to todays training methods and what Judges expect, this is indeed old school. It's not just the yelling, and kicking, but also the body language of the handler. A lot of dogs, I've seen out here, specificially in the US on local and regional level and even a few national level dogs would fall apart over this type of pressure. This has nothing to do with the dog being in drive or not. Do you have any idea how many dogs are out there that have plenty of drive but are simply not hard enough to take that pressure? We've got one right here that wouldn't be able to handle it, no matter how much you crack that wip. 

I'm seriously getting sick of it. 

If ya'll can't see the quality of the dog from that video itself, than ya'll don't know jack shit about dogs! 

Whatever! I'm done. 

Bärenfang, I said it´s a GOOD DOG, what else shall I say?

I just wondered about the "old school" comment, because this type of training ( once again, we only saw part C ) is quite normal with high calibre sport dogs.
I am living in Northrhein Westfalia, I am surrounded by working dog clubs, and I am surrounded by Landesgroup/BSP participants ( trainers/helpers/dogs ).
This was no "oldschool" training, and according to the result ( C 95 points ) it has been pretty effective.

LOL, no wonder the US won the WUSV if ya'll are stuck in the stone ages. It's still old school. It's the same as it has been 20 years ago. Just because you think it's normal doesn't mean its not oldschool. Training has evolved. Sorry ya'll are stuck in the stone ages! 

Btw. if you can't see how a dog deals with pressure in C than you can't read dogs! 

Nobody said it was not a quality dog. But, again, how does that show a 'hard dog' as you said the training is 'old school' and if we can't see it's a hard dog then we don't know shit, according to your post.
Yes, its a nice dog, but where does that demonstrate a 'hard dog' ?
Honest question.

Jeez, Joan, was the idiot TRYING to get bit?? WTF?? 

The result speaks highly of your dog and your training methods... 

 

I'd say this dog was 'hard' compared to some of the dogs I've seem in the sieger show, but as BSP dogs go, he's performing the way I'd expect for a dog at that level of competition.