GSD back legs - Page 4

White dogs are a DQ in the AKC world because they cannot be seen by the shepherd in a flock of sheep and sheep do not respect white dogs. There are no solid white sheep herding dogs of any breed. IMO it is correct to DQ white GSD's.

Smiley I am editing my remarks, sorry  I should have said you have some good ideas but

If you wish to discuss weak hocks please go to the thread that Handmutter started on that subject.
 

The first GSD I ' fell in love with ' (aged 8 !)  was a white dog.  (1962 ish).

I have issues with how and why they are produced and described for the

pet trade, but would never condemn any individual dog just for

having a white coat.   But the Standard is the STANDARD;  and

it was clear that von Stephanitz was not over-thrilled with white

in 'his' GSDs.   I don't think anyone really knows the extent to

which white dogs had health issues back in 1899;  but there are

many issues in British bred whites, going back to the 1940s on.

The waters are also muddied by Nazi interest in the issue in the

Germany of the 30s.  Quite happy for dogs here to compete at

the Whites & Long Coats Society shows, the people who join that

club do seem to have health issues to the fore - pity they are a minority. 

Blitzen......whites can compete at GSDCA Nationals for all our performance awards. Whites can also be awarded our PAM. Membership just decided wihin the past 2 years to no longer allow them to win our Vitor/Victrix performance awards at Nationals....though they allow them to compete. So, if they win and are deserving of award GSDCA just does not give it to them. They rescinded allowing whites to get the top performance award at National right after a white won the obediennce Victrix award. However, whites are still allowed to compete for awards in all performance events in both akc and GSDCA.

Smiley -  Every GSDCA club award is subject to different rules some of which require the dog should not have any DQ faults. Some GSDCA awards require more like the Dual Award and Dual Award of Excellence that requires an AKC CH, a OB title, normal hips and elbows and that the dog passes the GSDCA temperament test. Those requirements are more stringent than those required to be called Grand Victor or Victrix. To be eligible for the ATTA award for progeny with advanced OB titles, all of those progeny must have no DQ faults either and that must be attested to by an AKC licensed judge or the dog must have won an AKC show placement. Otherwise, their titles do not count toward their sire or dam's production record.

Most AKC registered GSD's with 4 legs are eligible to compete in OB at a GSD specialty where they earn the placements they earn. To be eligible for a the highest GSDCA in-house OB award, victor or victress, the bar is raised one more notch requiring NO DQ FAULTS.  That motion was voted upon and passed in 2013.

There is nothing wrong with requiring that a GSD has no DQ faults in order to be eligible for any parent breed club award.  The mission statement of the GSDCA  is to do all it can to encourage the breeding of dogs without faults that would DQ them from the breed ring. White is a DQ period. Agree or disagree with that, it is what it is and was not promulgated to exclude whites from GSDCA awards as many with white shepherds insist.  Discussing the pros and cons of white GSD's is another topic for a new thread.

OP got his answer and realized he was indeed talking about a stack and mistakenly thinking only a poorly-conformed dog could be stacked. This was resolved at the end of page 1, beginning of page 2. He was talking about back and legs. I sent him one picture of a dog in a stack and he said that he didn't like the dog's back or legs and wanted to avoid that. Then I sent him a photo of a dog standing naturally in my kitchen. He said the dog was gorgeous and that's exactly what he wanted. Then I told him the 2 pics were the same dog.