So I had someone tell me today that there never was brindle in the GSD lines? - Page 4

I do not consider K9 pines a ligitimate source, I was just noting that they were not their dogs. Due to the fact that almost everyone believe their dogs are mixed somewhere. 

This is really interesting. This is a Brindle Saddle Dog in 1925 at
Ireland's Premier Dog Show (1925)
You can see the dog at about 49. seconds in. Maybe with a catalog, it can be identified by name along with the breed or variety it was shown as.

Published on Apr 13, 2014 by British Pathé

Item title reads - Ireland's premier dog show. Almost 2000 entries reach a record for the Irish Kennel Club's successful show.


M/S of many people watching the dogs and their owners stood in a ring, they walk round in a circle. M/S of the dogs stood in a line. M/S of an Alsatian, M/S of a dog with a square face. C/U of a little white dog, M/S of a black shaggy one and another little one.

 

 

 

I got this picture from the   German Shepherd VDH  book  from Holland

 

German shepherd around 1900  the dogs on the background looks brindle to me

 

Brindle and Agouti: one won't hide one another. The affect is a combination of the two; sometimes subtle, but never cryptic that I know of. I've seen cryptic merles though (not in the GSD). A collie female that looked to be a normal sable; yet when bred to a normal male, produced a littler of merles. There was no visable marker of the merling, the first litter was a surprise. The second litter, to a different stud, likewise produced merles.  

I suppose cryptic brindle -might!- be possible -if!- there are lines of dominant black GSDs. It -could- be carried under dominant black; as it is in labrador retrievers. However, that's a lot of conditionals for my taste. The odds of brindle being in GSDs today is slim to none, in my opinion.

I have a canine client who is a very structurally correct looking GSD: a melanistic saddle-back... with brindle! Very unique looking animal, but she was a rescue so her lineage is unknown. I doubt she's pure GSD, but that doesn't make her any less beautiful to me. Aside from the brindle, she looks, and acts, the part of an purebred GSD I've ever known.

 

 

This is a silken windhound showing both agouti and brindle.

 

This dog is an Aidi showing brindle on agouti. There is minimal striping, but it's still visible. 

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so if someone says there are no brindles in the GSD I will tell them that was true up to the year 1890. And then see if they figure it out. 

In other words, before the breed existed there were none. Therefore, brindles have always been in the breed.

Here is what I think now.. after being here a while.

This dog is:
K locus K^br/ K^{br or} K^{y -} (Not K^b Dominant Black)
A locus Saddle (Tanpoint) / unknown could be tan point Bi or black, but not sable

In Another Brindle thread Blackthorn Said: 
"Brindle and dominant black are ruled by the K locus. On that locus, K^b is the notation for solid black, which is dominant to K^br (the notation for brindle). In order for the agouti locus to factor into the appearance of the dog, the K locus is K^y --the notation that indicates that the phaelomelanin expresses itself. All GSDs are thought to be K^y on the K allele because otherwise, the agouti locus wouldn't come into play.
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/brindle.html#kk
I think brindle affects all parts that would otherwise be tan on agouti. It changes then to Tan/Brindled.

However, one thing that I don't see addressed is how we would see a black and tan dog with brindle on the tan points. There *must* be something else going on there."

This Dog posted by jc.carroll I think is actually a Pattern Sable and also Brindle with added lighter undersides (Like hobo dogs) There was a Spitz Sable posted at one point that had markings similar to this pup below. sadly I don't know where it is now. In that color GSD RAF dog footage I saw yesterday there were lots of sables and B/T GSD with this lighter underside feature.

This 2011 brindle thread also has some interesting images and info :) Some saddle back & brindle hounds as well.
For Fun, Dawulf posted this that looks a lot like a dog in the image BlackMalinois posted above

I'm not even sure what to say....

There is another very interesting Brindle German Shepherd Dog shown with June Collyer at Home in a Photo by Don English. This is a detail.