If someone breeds American Show Types... - Page 6

I've seen this same close minded discussion on this board so many times. SSDD

Rik, now, that IS a real shocker to me, because Nordlicht is probably the last kennel I would ever want to buy a dog from!

The black female I posted as an example of all that has gone wrong with American SL conformation is from that kennel!

It just goes to show you, never try to smear all dogs with the same brush! 

(Yeah, I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the ground....)

You asked what I own?

Here she is. I also have a rescue who's not on the database. He looks like either German WL or a mix of Canadian and German lines. Both have excellent temperments, though as might be expected, the female has more drive. Ranger is calm, sure and steady, which is why he makes an excellent service dog (hearing ear).

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/523413.html

I just had Star spayed last month, as she has mild dysplasia in on one hip.    She also has faded pigment, 'friendly' ears, and front feet that turn in a little.

I am sorry that Majorie and Sunsilver, but closeminded I am not. First, Majorie, I would not own a West German showline dog at this point and have said so many many times. So why do you use comparisons to these hump back dogs to me. Second, there is a difference in owning a dog and breeding a dog. I don't deal in emotions, I deal in analysis and facts and figures. Sure there are some isolated examples of good ASL dogs, and some people own some nice dogs. But out of the thousands of ASL dogs what percent are these dogs and if the percent is less than say 25% what does that say about what is being produced. Everything is relevant and people who don't like the truth want to take exceptions to justify the norm....can't do it!!! Sunsilver, in previous post when I talk about more drive than brains what do you think I am talking about??? I have many times said that this is WRONG!, but of course you don't want to acknowledge that, because you have to justify NOT dealing with what I say and finding a plane to rationalize the current state. The only difference in ASL and WGSL is the Sch requirement that allows a reasonable amount of these dogs to still do sport. Still, the genetics is so inbred in these dogs that they can't produce the type of consistency in temperament they should. And nobody that uses working dogs for work goes to these WGSL dogs to "improve temperament", there are some WGSL dogs that will improve temperament amongst their own type which is already weak in many cases.
Nothing is absolute and I have said this on this forum many times, so why do you reply with some sarcastic answer about "ALL" this and that is whatever. Its not all, but if it is 80% it might as well be all. Another thing, this temperament has been like this for 30 years in the ring....why hasn't it improved significantly if I am closed minded and really the state of affairs isn't what I say. 
I will close out on this topic, because in the big scheme of things if I am closeminded and ignorant(because closemindedness always leads to ignorance of what you're not open to,) and you are openminded and knowledgable, then maybe somebody can explain to me how the showlines got into the mental state(Generally, not absolute), they are today.
The irony is if you ask the rest of the world who is close minded in terms of the ASL, I think it would not be my position.
Peace, and continue your way another thirty years.....it won't change it will only get worse like I said thirty years ago, and history has borne me out!

Rik

 Well said Rik..I know (even thought we had our arguments in the past) that you do know what a good structure is and what showing dogs is..a lot of folks on this board talks about shows and show dogs but never attend a show..blablabla..

I did laugh thought about Mauricio having a steep front!! Just reading that show me how some people have absolutly no knowlwedge about angle and gait..I saw the dog at the Canadian national and I can tell you he doesn't have a steep front..in fact he has a very good front and a nice floating gait..

For me there is bad dogs in every lines..and spooks in every lines.  I do like the look of Am GSD more than german show dogs..Should we cross them..some have and had great results.  I'm not sure you will improve structure but will surely improve nerves that lack in some Am lines..Has for health issues..there is problems in both.

Is the sable dog yours Rik?? I think it's a pretty nice one..:)

Julie

But you know, what does someone such as me (who bred this dog) know about the Am. S/L GSD compared to SunSilver, Marjorie and Uber.

They have not actually accomplished anything note worthy with their dogs, but they do have a very active keyboard.

Rik
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this is why I hardly post here any more and probably won't continue.  I have never claimed to be an authority on anything.  infact, you don't have to even read my posts or reply to them. 

people have put the german lines on a golden pedastool and think these are the only lines worth breeding.