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by mrcoultrap on 15 January 2014 - 19:01

As a long time customer of 16 yrs. of Von Sonnenberg Kennel GSD's, i would like to weigh in on the outrageous lies, distortions and unmitigated gall of the original author. This is the lowest form of Internet slander I have seen in a long time. I will recomend legal and criminal action to the Kennel owner. It is disgusting to see someone try to destroy the good name of a reputable Kennel without having any real facts.

 I can attest that all our GSD's are registered  as "Litter name" Von Sonnenberg with the AKC. As stated in our contracts we agreed to a first name and signed the AKC transfer registration as it was filled out and submitted it to the AKC. As with all our GSD's the Litter and all pups belong to Karon and are individually transferred to us. There is NO changing of the Kennel name and doing so is a breach of contract and illegal. If you change the registration it is a forgery. Obviously S Beth H and Chip have committed fraud, forgery not to mention engaging in character assassination of a reputable Kennel, slander, lying and outright deceitfulness. If that GSD has titles than they were supplied by Chip the original owner, not Karon. Any question to me can be posted against my comment.

MRCoultrap
 

by Nans gsd on 15 January 2014 - 19:01

Unless you registered this bitch under two different names AKC WILL NOT let you change any dogs name.  EVER.   Once registered under a particular name that stays with the dog for the life of the dog no matter how many hands or owners get involved...

northwoodsGSD

by northwoodsGSD on 15 January 2014 - 20:01

Nans gsd

Under certain circumstances the AKC will allow the owner to change the reg. name. ​http://www.akc.org/press_center/article.cfm?article_id=3458

Getting off topic though...

Regardless of why the dog ended up with the name it has. I want to know why the breeder falsified titles for this dog?
 

CMills

by CMills on 15 January 2014 - 20:01

I agree, we have gotten off topic, can anyone PROVE the titles this dog supposedly has here? And yes, AKC now does allow certain instances of name changing. Especially if you register a puppy online, anyone can change the name that may (or may not) be written on the actual AKC puppy registration application.

by zdog on 15 January 2014 - 20:01

Recommend lawsuits. Scream louder than you are now :). Maybe nobody will notice what this is really about. Faked titles and using photos to falsify accomplishments. Answer those questions when you're done screaming please. Thanks in advance :)/

by SBethH on 15 January 2014 - 21:01

point exactly zdog. 

Fact that this breeder went so far as to publicly post on internet sites  the above image in my first post, taken from her Face Book page (which she has since shut down), of one of us along with our dog along with all the fake titles, hip rating and name she added,   is the red flag to others about this person and how she runs her business/life!!  Beware.

My dad and I registered this pup around 8 wks., owned her until her death, we were the first and only recorded AKC owners of Leah after purchasing her from this breeder.  

There is no score book, she was never titled in anything!!! 

She OFA'ed  as having hip dysplasia, she above  image of  her OFA certificate in my first post with her correct name!  She did not live to be an old dog.

My father, Chip also had the same reaction to all this woman's self promoting as Gustav, he just shook his head.  He also reminded me how Facebook has helped in catching a number of questionable types over the years.  They get on Facebook and boast and lie about what they have been up too.  This was how we found out about what this breeder was doing, she lead us right to it.

SBethH

by mrcoultrap on 16 January 2014 - 00:01

SBeth H--Thank you for clarifying what al you an your father did. I happen to like this Kennel and think the owner is above board. As the owner of three Von Sonnenberg GSD's I am now taking personal offense to your vitriol. I want to reassure you that I can't be bullied, threatened or intimidated and if warranted I will recommend the owner and AKC prosecute you to fullest extend of the law. So I will help her yell a little bit louder.

So please put that little foul mouthed Troll -zdog back in his Kennel and shut him up. Rabbit mongrel dogs are not welcome on this site and you at this moment you and Chip are in more than enough hot water. Right now you are accused of falsifying documents also known as forgery, lying, falsifying facts by submitting false titles and for good measure we will add in slander. For forgery which is a felony and a criminal complaint you will answer to the AKC and their legal arm. I am glad the Kennel owner has taken my advice and filed a forgery complaint with the AKC against you. It sounds as if AKC has validated Lea V. Sonnenberg Hof as belonging to the breeder.
You appear to be part of the Internet Dregs, Chip I don't know about. You and zTroll can stop trying to deflect from the original issue. It’s too late for that now, you opened up the can. If you had been nice and civil and maybe asked why you thought there was a discrepancy, the conversation might be different.

On the issue of titles I was given to understand your dad Chip supplied the titles and claimed he had done them?? Hence the picture.... You claim the dog was never titled? So which one of you is lying and falsifying facts?? Maybe both of you are liars? But now to be fair to you, you have opened a can of worms where the lid will not be put back on, I will look into this title ling because it is a very serious issue in the breeder world. You are making claims to destroy a reputation and good name, that alone is unforgivable.

The other forum members have very valid questions that deserve to be answered. CMills and Nans, thank you for your comments. I will try to find the answer from the breeder if she does not post one herself. As I said before, for us it’s personal and I will leave the legal to the AKC and Police. I have never known this Breeder to making false claims over the 16 years we have done business with her. In my book she is innocent until proven otherwise not the other way around Nans!! Let the truth fall wherever it may.
MRCoultrap

by Gustav on 16 January 2014 - 10:01

Whoa!,,,....lol, my shaking my head was not in reference to believing initial accusations, my SMH was in reference to people making judgments or actions without all the facts.

aarowsmith

by aarowsmith on 16 January 2014 - 10:01

This is not legal advice.

I would be willing to bet the statute of limitations on any criminal forgery ran out a long time ago.  Not sure what the AKC does about this on the civil side.

The change of slander would be incorrect; it would be libel since it was done in written form on a public forum.  Libel is expensive to pursue and very difficult to prove. 

Further complicating the matter is that the misinformation is said to have appeared on the Von Sonnenberg website or facebook page, and the pedigree page was updated with titles by Karon—both of which were under her control.  Karon should have taken the time to verify the information before she published it.  At this point she is responsible for publishing the misinformation. 

In today’s world, the “I trusted them” excuse doesn’t hold much water.  

by Blitzen on 16 January 2014 - 10:01

Were I the OP and forged the registration application and lied about the titles as suggested, I would probably not have started this thread in the first place. Would  you?





 


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