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by Paul Garrison on 28 August 2013 - 21:08
YR
You have broke the bad new to me.........I'm old. What a sad day. LOL. It is good to see you posting
Paul
You have broke the bad new to me.........I'm old. What a sad day. LOL. It is good to see you posting
Paul
by beetree on 28 August 2013 - 23:08
What does not make sense, is that by letting the "culls" live, does not recognize that it has nothing to do with a breeder's future progeny. The superior siblings are never impacted, so don't blame the one's destined for the water bucket for not making the DNA cut.
The breeders don't want progeny from their breedings? They are the one's in control of the starting gate. As always.
The breeders don't want progeny from their breedings? They are the one's in control of the starting gate. As always.
by Blitzen on 28 August 2013 - 23:08
To cull doesn't mean to kill. Breeders "cull" litters when they rate a litter according to their needs. The idea behind culling is to prevent a lesser quality animal from reproducing. Most I know place the "culled" dogs without breeding rights and on neutering contracts Few I know kill puppies that are otherwise healthy and able to serve as companion animals.
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 August 2013 - 00:08
Lol, Paul, you read well between the lines...Yes I am from the Old school...When green, Larry Filo and David Moore got a hold of me and trained me well to German tactics and taught me how to listen.
19 years later at Hutto Judge Maynard ask me with a smile, as he too, many yrs ago, evaluated my sables and my line I had at a Houston trial, and advised me by twisting my visions severely, ask me "did you Listen?"
Every man and woman in USA would be blessed to visit a German Club or home of a breeder in Germany or Belgium and spend some quality time breathing in History of our breed and why it went to the side of the Triangle we have a hard time watching as we see so many lines not what they started out as.
no OUTCROSSING, JUST GO BACK TO THE heartland and learn.
Steve 1: DO I hear an Amen from Belgium? How many can you hold at your breaksfast table?
jmo,
One of my Belgium Couch potatoes after chasing off the Roofers....This is DUKE, a Dieter son
YR
19 years later at Hutto Judge Maynard ask me with a smile, as he too, many yrs ago, evaluated my sables and my line I had at a Houston trial, and advised me by twisting my visions severely, ask me "did you Listen?"
Every man and woman in USA would be blessed to visit a German Club or home of a breeder in Germany or Belgium and spend some quality time breathing in History of our breed and why it went to the side of the Triangle we have a hard time watching as we see so many lines not what they started out as.
no OUTCROSSING, JUST GO BACK TO THE heartland and learn.
Steve 1: DO I hear an Amen from Belgium? How many can you hold at your breaksfast table?
jmo,
One of my Belgium Couch potatoes after chasing off the Roofers....This is DUKE, a Dieter sonYR
by kitkat3478 on 29 August 2013 - 10:08
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Those that feel the need to 'out-cross' with another breed actually need to 'cross-out' the German Shepherd from the list of "dogs I want to have".
I myself believe there are still plenty of good German Shepherds out there
Those that feel the need to 'out-cross' with another breed actually need to 'cross-out' the German Shepherd from the list of "dogs I want to have".
I myself believe there are still plenty of good German Shepherds out there
by kitkat3478 on 29 August 2013 - 11:08
The way a dog is trained,treated and housed has a great deal of bearing, on what your dog becomes.
And I in know way am making reference to kennel dog versus house dog.
Just look at some of the recent,and past,threads on trainers.
A poor trainer can ruin, an otherwise perfectly fine dog.
How "hard" does one want,or really need" a German Shepherd to be?
They were NEVER intended to be a one dog demolition team,were they?
Yeah,they have to pass all the breed worthy tests, such as OB and protection. Is that protection test really. What you would count as REAL protectiion?
One thread went on and on that it was so unfair that the 'helper' moved the sleeve a half inch so the dog missed the bite.
I guess you would need to tell the assailant ,wait, my dog can't get a moving target.
My point is, there are plenty of great German Shepherds being produced.
That don't mean they will all get great owners and/or trainers.
And I in know way am making reference to kennel dog versus house dog.
Just look at some of the recent,and past,threads on trainers.
A poor trainer can ruin, an otherwise perfectly fine dog.
How "hard" does one want,or really need" a German Shepherd to be?
They were NEVER intended to be a one dog demolition team,were they?
Yeah,they have to pass all the breed worthy tests, such as OB and protection. Is that protection test really. What you would count as REAL protectiion?
One thread went on and on that it was so unfair that the 'helper' moved the sleeve a half inch so the dog missed the bite.
I guess you would need to tell the assailant ,wait, my dog can't get a moving target.
My point is, there are plenty of great German Shepherds being produced.
That don't mean they will all get great owners and/or trainers.
by Hired Dog on 29 August 2013 - 11:08
Kit Kat, I dont count IPO as a test of the dog's character. The way the sport has become, its a test of how precise the dog does the exercise and for me, the NVBK will always be the closest to the real thing we can get, but, thats another thread.
Real work means the dog can actually do what it was meant to do...police and military work and the sad fact is that it has been replaced by the Malinois for many years now. The greatest trainer on the planet can only work with what genetics the dog brings to the training field.
Breeders keep breeding softer dogs to satisfy the pet market that wants to turn this breed into a lobotomized animal whose biggest challenge of the day is falling off the couch to roll to its food bowl.
In my opinion, so long as there is no agreement between ALL breed fanciers on which direction to take the breed, it will continue to deteriorate.
Real work means the dog can actually do what it was meant to do...police and military work and the sad fact is that it has been replaced by the Malinois for many years now. The greatest trainer on the planet can only work with what genetics the dog brings to the training field.
Breeders keep breeding softer dogs to satisfy the pet market that wants to turn this breed into a lobotomized animal whose biggest challenge of the day is falling off the couch to roll to its food bowl.
In my opinion, so long as there is no agreement between ALL breed fanciers on which direction to take the breed, it will continue to deteriorate.
by steve1 on 29 August 2013 - 13:08
eddy
If you cross the G.S with any other breed, how do you know that the one you are using as a cross is not a crap dog in the first place.
Steve1
If you cross the G.S with any other breed, how do you know that the one you are using as a cross is not a crap dog in the first place.
Steve1
by steve1 on 29 August 2013 - 13:08
Y.R
I can seat 6
Steve1
I can seat 6
Steve1
by kyto on 29 August 2013 - 15:08
the day's nvbk was harder are long gone hired dog, force feeding a bite suit to get full points on the grip isn't testing the dog, and as long as people whithin the nvbk don't start to realize it and make some serious changes i don't consider it any harder than any other sport anymore but that wasn't the question
the biggest problem to regain the "old-style" GSD is the amount of crap that most used workinglines produce to produce a few good ones (ring any bells about the toby1-2 line in NVBK hired dog?), SL i'm not familiar whit but i haven't seen any i would consider good enough to improve on hardness/working abillity's of the breed not saying there aren't any.
margret were on totally opposite side's about who's to blame, the breedclub of the country of origin bares the resposabillity nobody else they set the standard, they can ask kennel clubs about health test, they can ring the alarm bell if something is happening to the breed where is the alarm about the extra vertibra just to give an example??? the fact that sv health results can diffrent quite a lot from other country's about the same dog leaves for me 2 options to believe in
1. they don't know how hips are supposed to look, never seen x-rays before (considdering the amount of x-rays dailly send to the SV ??????)
2. they "colour" results just to let people believe the problem is far less worse than it is, so they are doeing a much better job than they actually and no problem keep on buying puppy's it's rarely you can get a bad one especially when you pay us to evaluate the x-ray's (hmmmmmmmmmm)
as long as SV-WUSV is allowed to control breed standards,regulations etc,etc no improvement will take place an old man once said, to get elected in the SV board you need friends in the board and it has always been that way so those in the board these day's were friends of those who pre-dated them in the board and they were friends of.............fill in the blank yourself but as an outsider to the GSD breed i really can see some simularity's between today's politics of the SV and.the intended politics of world domination by............right there's the blank spot again
maybe a start would be joining the rsv2000 instead of following SV-WUSV rules
the biggest problem to regain the "old-style" GSD is the amount of crap that most used workinglines produce to produce a few good ones (ring any bells about the toby1-2 line in NVBK hired dog?), SL i'm not familiar whit but i haven't seen any i would consider good enough to improve on hardness/working abillity's of the breed not saying there aren't any.
margret were on totally opposite side's about who's to blame, the breedclub of the country of origin bares the resposabillity nobody else they set the standard, they can ask kennel clubs about health test, they can ring the alarm bell if something is happening to the breed where is the alarm about the extra vertibra just to give an example??? the fact that sv health results can diffrent quite a lot from other country's about the same dog leaves for me 2 options to believe in
1. they don't know how hips are supposed to look, never seen x-rays before (considdering the amount of x-rays dailly send to the SV ??????)
2. they "colour" results just to let people believe the problem is far less worse than it is, so they are doeing a much better job than they actually and no problem keep on buying puppy's it's rarely you can get a bad one especially when you pay us to evaluate the x-ray's (hmmmmmmmmmm)
as long as SV-WUSV is allowed to control breed standards,regulations etc,etc no improvement will take place an old man once said, to get elected in the SV board you need friends in the board and it has always been that way so those in the board these day's were friends of those who pre-dated them in the board and they were friends of.............fill in the blank yourself but as an outsider to the GSD breed i really can see some simularity's between today's politics of the SV and.the intended politics of world domination by............right there's the blank spot again
maybe a start would be joining the rsv2000 instead of following SV-WUSV rules
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