Would like to hear comments on Bomber son, Mailo - Page 5

troopscott
No, I know you were not refering to me personally, But to  the whole of us Guys posting, That is why i said what i did.
Steve1

, Hexe. You put it all in the proper prospective.

I've heard lots of stupid excuses for not xraying or titling GSD's before using them for breeding, but the reasoning in this thread takes the prize for the lamest. Why would anyone even think about breeding GSD's if they couldn't afford even the most basic health tests prior to breeding?

Hexe said:  But she also shouldn't be flat-out aided in doing so by others who are considered to be well-respected individuals in the breed...and since I can't imagine that LTS would be audacious enough to falsely proclaim that Osborn permitted his stud dog to breed with one of her lacking-hip-&-elbow-certification females, then it would appear that this is precisely what took place.

Workingdogz said: 

by workingdogz on 08 July 2013 - 15:13
Wow, Mailo sounds like a nice dog, but I have to admit I am more than a little dissapointed that Parrish would allow a nice titled (or untitled) male of his to cover a bitch that doesn't appear to have been OFA'd?  Especially coming from a sire that was evidently never OFA'd either.

Troopscott,  you're dead wrong. His ethics are under fire, and wrongfully so. I, for one, am not going to shut up and not play devil's advocate simply because I'm scared he might take Mailo off the market. Read Workingdogz post. Read what Hexe just posted, after assuming Russ and Parrish were/are going to do what Donna said they did/will. He's now "guilty by association" though no one (or very few) really know what is going on between Russ, Parrish, and Donna. To assume that Parrish and Russ are going to make a one time exception for HER untitled, un-xrayed bitch because she's special or something is a bit far-fetched, no? 

I've been trying to make people think about this without having to be blunt and  tell tales out of school, but I see people aren't picking up what I'm putting down. Unbelievable how people just jump to what they think is going on and give no benefit of the doubt to a couple guys who have never lied to us, and give extremely generous benefit of the doubt to LTS. Think about it guys...use your common sense. 
 

Castigating people for not titling their dogs is a conundrum which probably will never find common ground between the factions.
I raised two puppies from two different litters/breedings till thirteen months. Worked with them and had a "trainer" I thought was trustworthy come to the house and evaluate them for training and titling to a one. Asked him if he had the time for two dogs,, I didn't want my dogs sitting on the back burner because he didn't have time for them. He was adamant that he had the time. $10,000 and six months later, he asked me to keep the two dogs for a couple weeks while he and spouse played the dog show circuit or some such. I got my dogs home and was shocked, disgusted, saddened and angry at their condition, physically, mentally, and absolute avoidance and lack of ability to execute the most basic obedience; as in heel and sit. So, even tho I trained dogs for decades and titled some, age has imposed limits on what I use'ta be able to do. But I would say that anyone who HAS to rely on someone else to do the work for them; they are screwed before they start....because finding a trustworthy trainer is akin to striking the mother load in a gold mine. JMO and experience.

Mailo is a very nice dog, and I know this first hand. Parrish does not even know LTS. He does not read PDB because of the drama over shadows any good that is on here.  I would not breed to her dogs and not because of a lack of OFA but because of other reasons. Everyone has there own personal standard, and even those that are within the GSD standard, and they still have there own additional standards that they believe will better the breed.  There are breeder after breeder producing shit dogs and believe the are breeding good animals.  Few the breed quality dogs.

I am sure LTS and Steve both think they are doing right by the breed and bettering the breed with what they do, and it sounds like they are on two different ends of a breeding standard and many would not want a dog from either of them for one reason or another.

There are judgments made here and none of you know the facts about the whole of it at all.  Is any of it true? Is this breeding really going to happen? What would be the reasons Russ or Parrish would agree to such a breeding? What have they been told?

 

I really do not think this reflects poorly on Russ or Parrish at all, it also does not show Mailo in a poor light.  Who knows what LTS told Russ and Parrish, who knows how she described the bitch to them?  She probably said the dog is a "personal protection dog" and has good hips.  LTS may have said the dog is being trained for SAR?  Parrish has his idea of what a good dog is and he can decide to breed to any dog he wants.  I do agree with Workingdogz, Hexe and Blitzen about breeding this dog and I would never do it, OFA or not.  There is nothing in the US to preclude Parrish from offering his dog at stud to any female he wants.  The points that were made were NOT about Malio, Russ or Parrish but breeding a litter from a bitch with no health clearances, not titles, not testing, nothing.....Because the owner can't afford to do OFA?????????????  Then get a job to pay your bills and not use your dog's uterus for it.  So much BS and even litters bred and sold without papers.  I have heard it all in this thread, no x rays, no titles, no testing, and now puppies sold with out papers.   

Joan
I agree with you, and besides a SCH 3 means just that it is a SCH 3 it does not mean it is a good dog and for damn sure does not make it a protection dog. It means one can sell the puppies for more money. 

Really? You don't think it reflects poorly on Russ and Parrish to have LTS telling people they've allowed a breeding to her un-xrayed bitch? Boy, someone's awfully optimistic this fine Saturday.  

Workingdogz is "more than a little disappointed" (oh, how will Parrish ever sleep at night?) and re-read what Hexe wrote in her defense of LTS; it most certainly does reflect poorly on them and it's bogus. I asked specific questions for a reason. Note, Paul asked almost the same questions. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is more going on here than LTS would like y'all to know, and it's at Parrish's expense and I don't like it. I don't know Parrish that well, I've never bred to his dog(s) (though I could have...because my bitch is WORTHY, and that's what he goes on, not $$ and certainly not popularity!), but I can say with certainty that PARRISH HAD/HAS NO INTENTIONS OF BREEDING TO ANY UNTITLED, UN-XRAYED BITCH. PERIOD. This b.s. needs to die.

Suffice to say, Donna can't answer my questions, or Paul's questions, because the answers would reflect rather poorly on her. 

 

IMO titles can be optional for a breeder who knows his/her lines and who has a goal in mind.  There are many valid arguments for not titling a dog. However, I have never seen any valid arguments for not xraying hips and elbows before breeding a GSD.

I don't know Russ or Parrish, but if it were me I would not be happy to have LTS reporting on a public internet forum that my dog was going to be bred to an unxrayed bitch.

Well, I really hate to disappoint BUT...
I have heard through a pretty reliable source, (Parrish, himself), that;
THERE WILL BE NO BREEDINGS TO UNTITLED DOGS, UNCERTIFIED DOGS, TO MAILO, OR ANY OTHER SPITZENHUND DOG!!!!
OH, Sorry, I hate to burst the bubble of those that want to talk crap, without first finding out facts.
I told you all his phone number and e-mail was out there. IF any one was interested in facts, to ask firdt, before takong rumors and running with thrm,
but hell, that ain't half as interesting.
There is more to this than just simple, any old person with any old dog can breed to thrse dogs.
This guy didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He is an experienced, educated person. He knows HIS business, and it is his business.
I'm sure he has better things to do with his time than come here, and defend HIS self and HIS dogs reputations.
THERE WILL BE NO BREEDING TO THE "UN" dogs. End of speculations...