For WildWeasel,about my "blue" shepherds - Page 6

Beau, not Blue - sorry for typo Bee.  Site won't let me correct
it already.

Remember the good ole days when Brittany wasn't posting here? Honestly I used to feel sorry for her the way some talked to her, but now I understand it completely. She truly doesn't get it.

Vonissk.... no problem! Still for a "blue dilute lesson/example", his being mixed shouldn't make a difference for a saddle pattern/ color comparison between Black and Blue. He needs both recessives to be his color, and all for sure we do know is, he is at least half GSD. And Hundmutter his full name is Beau Blue, so he is not offended in any way. He is way too good natured! He answers to Rhino, too. lol

I do know his mom was GSD Black and Tan, starved for sure, but she did not have a large saddle at all. So his daddy, hmm, I would love to take a DNA test if there was a good reliability.

I am 99 percent sure kitkat is not riding your tail, her comment to Mystere was purely about the past, and how other types of harassment might have transpired, and the engagement provocation lessons she learned needed a nudge of reminder.

Brittany on the other hand, seemed to have grown with wisdom and time, but a certain penchant for confrontational descriptors, alarming and incorrect at the same time, put her back to square one on the growth scale.



 

Well Jimmy, I guess New York does do things differently than you.
     I was waiting until I heard back from the NYS Trooper that works with my dog as his partner to reply, this is what he told me after I told him you basicly called me a liar about my dog (I did tell him were a police K-9 trainer and sent him your post).
    Hey Joni,
  The NY State Police routinely certifies their narcotics dogs as cadavers dogs also. It's simply introducing a new scent that they are trained to locate. NO dogs ANYWHERE in the world are trained as both NARCOTICS and EXPLOSIVES. All State Police dogs are trained as EITHER Narcotics OR explosives and not both. In addition to those specialties each dog is also trained for tracking & protection. We ONLY train narcotics dogs to be cadaver dogs as well. We never train explosives dogs for cadavers. Try to ignore idiots on those forums. It'll only stress you out... Thank you so much.

      Maybe you might want to try it out, some dogs are better than others at multi-tasking. I also seen where a golden lab on the NYS Police was Dual-Purpose, also Cadaver dog.
     
 

Kitkat,
Here is what I said and never called you a liar:

I could be wrong, but IME Dual Purpose means Patrol and Detection.  I have not seen any working Patrol dogs trained for two detection disciplines, for example cadaver and narcotics.  It is pretty much a recognized principle in detection dog training that dogs are not cross trained in other disciplines.  Especially, with a Narcotics trained dog or an Explosives dog.  Perhaps, NY State Police cross trains there dogs for everything????  I must have read this wrong or misunderstood something. 

If they do utilize dogs for Narcotics and Cadaver and I beleive you that they do, I find that very interesting.  I would like to talk to one of their trainers.  I don't doubt that a dog is capable of it, my concern has more to do with Probable Cause for a Narcotics K-9's alert and the potential challenges a handler could face in court testimony.  Cadaver dogs that I work with will alert to blood, even very old blood.  I have had narcotics alerts on vehicles that have had both fresh and old blood stains in them.  I would love to hear how they get around the fact that the dog's alert could be challenged if a bloody shirt was present, for example?  It is this aspect of working a cadaver / narcotics K-9 that has me interested.  
 

...does anyone else see patterns here...seems like every 2 months someone (who is a long term member on here) gets "nailed to the cross"....

She called you "Jimmy" wasn't that cute?  Anyway, I'm not an LEO, but have done plenty of bitework for dogs already on a PD or certifying for a PD.  6 dogs newly certified in the past 2 years, not a ton, but I venture a guess more than the average PDB poster.  Anyway, none of the dogs we trained were anything other than Patrol/narcotics.  Any of the dogs they used for Cadaver were strictly for that as well as explosive detection was a discipline all on its own.  It would raise some flags to me if someone said they were patrol/narcotic/cadaver dogs.  I've only really been associated with dogs in 2 states, but they are also different than NY it seems