For WildWeasel,about my "blue" shepherds - Page 3

"I have supplied a few dogs recently to the State Police, I also have the State Police referring others to me for puppies, so yeah, I'm pretty happy and Proud of what I do with my dogs." - KitKat

I read your message with interest, but at the end I experienced
several difficulties with it. Kitkat, as a seasoned debater who frequently retorts to the non sequitur, you know that one cannot simply conclude much of anything about an experience from a tiny sample/State trooper, etc (i.e. personal experience.
Please don’t stoop to preposterous correlations.


 

Kitkat: " How about you wildweasel, what have your dogs done, care to share?"

My breeding, showing/training history or lack there of has no relevance to the issue at hand. Even if I was guilty of some past irresponsible actions, it would in no way excuse or condone your total disregard for the breed standard.
Didn’t your mother ever tell you two wrongs don’t make a right?  DUH…Stop creating mundane “Red Herring” dilemmas and except responsibility for your actions.
As you know, your blue pigment fetish did not just involve German Shepherds, but other dog breeds as well. 
I don’t think you wanna go there…..
 

Vonissk...not trying to start an argument with you and correct me if I misinterpreted what you said, but "I wouldn't care if it was BSP of the world and outwork every dog it came close to." You wouldn't want this dog because of it's color? When it comes to working dogs, not show dogs, shouldn't color be so far down the list that it doesn't really matter, wouldn't you want a dog that can actually work regardless of what the dog looks like, isn't that what the Shepherd is suppose to do, to work, not win a beauty contest.

Bahcan,  'no good dog is a bad colour',  too true.  But dilute colours
​ARE mentioned as unwanted in the Breed Standard;   we have to
accept that there is always a chance they will arise (and yes folks, Canto
and Uran have been implicated, and look how many offspring they've sired).
If people like VonIssk don't want to produce them, they are quite within
their rights to want to breed so that they don't get any.  If I were breeding 
I would not actively WANT to produce one or more myself - but if they
come along, or the dog is a rescued one,  I certainly don't mind the 'variety'
of that, even though I am keen the Standard should be maintained.

One of the problems of producing a blue is that there are unscroupulous
people who would want to breed from it - and worse still, breed it back
closely to its ancestry, to ensure more blues - without any regard for the
Standard or for the health history of those lines.  Hence the threds about
epilepsy etc last year.  And whats more, kid customers on that they are
rare and therefore worth more money; without admitting that they cannot
be shown in Conformation.  Plus there is a trend to sell dogs in odd
colours as only pets, for people who want a Golden in a GSD-shape, and
to dilute the temperament and working ability as much as the pigment.  Not
good !

For Fawnda, and for those who have not seen 'blue' GSDs:
​Don't see the same picture as on your screen perhaps, but those puppies
have a distinctly 'silvery' look to them.  However, many are born looking
much 'blacker' than that litter, anyway.  What happens when they grow
up and into their adult coats, where they are 'black & gold' they have a
blueish sheen to the whole coat, especially the solid 'black' areas of
saddle etc.  This is not the same as the 'blue-black' effect of light shining
on a dogs coat (or human hair) and reflecting out the blue  (or indeed red)
tone.  If a dog is a self coloured blue, it looks frankly more dirty-brown
than anything, and this is accentuated by most being long coated  (see
above re churning them out for pets ...).  And VonIssk is right they almost
always have light, often downright yellow, eyecolour (again, faulted in the
GSD Standard).  Blue sables are usually more of a truer blue colour,  but
basically a washed-out silver sable.  With the increase in very dark sables,
this seems to be becoming less true.  But it is never ever proper 'cornflower'
Blue ...
 

Hundmutter.....I understand what your saying and agree with you...I just thought it was ridiculous for someone to say they wouldn't want a dog that could outwork every dog it came close to, because of its color and it was ugly. I didn't mean for them to want it to breed the color, I meant for them to not throw away the working ability of this dog because of the color, I'm not a breeder and don't pretend to know anything about breeding, but I would think it would be simple to breed the dog for all its great working ability and at the same time eliminate the unwanted colors. Hopefully that makes sense, its late and I'm tired...lol

Lol at "ugly"!
 

BahCan, you wouldn´t mind the faulty color, the next one wouldn´t mind floppy ears, and the very next one wouldn´t mind overseize and some missing teeth...
Can you imagine the second or third generation?

Personally I wouldn't mind owning one... I'd never pay an arm and a leg for one, when I could get a dog that was to the standard, but if the blue dog was a good fit, then sure. I've always liked the lighter eyes on dogs, for whatever reason, but would never breed for it.

Kitkat educated herself on the whole wacky colors issue, but still stands behind the dogs she already produced - no matter the colors. Good for her! 

 

Susie - yeah, it would probably look like that
Sheperdoodle  !!!