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by fawndallas on 10 May 2013 - 10:05
(KitKat, Can you PM me a clear picture of one of your Blues; showing why they are considered "blue"? I have never seen this and I would love to see a picture)
Just a curious question: In human hair color, black is not a true black, it either has a blue, purple, or brown under tone. Why would this not be the same for an animal's hair color (in horses, the under tone is the same as in humans)? I have never personally seen a black GSD, although from pictures, they are beautiful.
Just a curious question: In human hair color, black is not a true black, it either has a blue, purple, or brown under tone. Why would this not be the same for an animal's hair color (in horses, the under tone is the same as in humans)? I have never personally seen a black GSD, although from pictures, they are beautiful.
by kitkat3478 on 10 May 2013 - 10:05
fawn, these are blue pups. Many times, they turn back to almost black.
I make NO apologies to anyone for my "blue dogs", AND, the NYS trooper that has a pup from Blue, was really hoping I had more pups from the same dogs, as the one that is "certified".
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by Mystere on 10 May 2013 - 11:05
Please stop.
by kitkat3478 on 10 May 2013 - 13:05
I would be more than happy Mystere to leave the past in the past.
I got to say, I was "more than" a little shocked to see Molly jumping back on the old, dilapatated band wagon.
I must admit that yes, it bothered me for weasel to. Bring that up on the other thread.
I got to say, I was "more than" a little shocked to see Molly jumping back on the old, dilapatated band wagon.
I must admit that yes, it bothered me for weasel to. Bring that up on the other thread.
by Brittany on 10 May 2013 - 14:05
"I have supplied a few dogs recently to the State Police, I also have the State Police referring others to me for puppies, so yeah, I'm pretty happy and Proud of what I do with my dogs." - KitKat
If this statement is indeed true then why are you guys pestering her about breeding blues? If they were being accepted in the state police K9 academy, and were being certified then that is a big accomplishment. If the State Police referring others to her for puppies that's even better because they like what they see in her breeding practice.
On that terrificpets forum link that wildwusel submitted I was more annoyed about what huronbreeze wrote more than anything else. The irony of the whole situation. To preach to Kitkat about proper breeding yet her breeding goes against what Captain Max von Stephanitz had wanted his breed to become. Her breeding program is no better if not worst.
If this statement is indeed true then why are you guys pestering her about breeding blues? If they were being accepted in the state police K9 academy, and were being certified then that is a big accomplishment. If the State Police referring others to her for puppies that's even better because they like what they see in her breeding practice.
On that terrificpets forum link that wildwusel submitted I was more annoyed about what huronbreeze wrote more than anything else. The irony of the whole situation. To preach to Kitkat about proper breeding yet her breeding goes against what Captain Max von Stephanitz had wanted his breed to become. Her breeding program is no better if not worst.
by fawndallas on 10 May 2013 - 17:05
I guess I would have to be there, as I do not see anything "bad" about the color of these puppies. They look like a normal animal born "black, with a blue under tone."
I am not familiar with the show side of German Shepherds. Is a solid black GSD considered a fault? If so, sounds pretty simple, don't show the dog. Doesn't mean it is an ill bred dog. Use the dog for IPO / agility / Herding, whatever else. If your heart is set on showing, get a different line.
Sounds like the same grief the white shepherds get. Each his own.
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Adorable puppies. Got my heart pumping; puppy and black all rolled into one.
I am not familiar with the show side of German Shepherds. Is a solid black GSD considered a fault? If so, sounds pretty simple, don't show the dog. Doesn't mean it is an ill bred dog. Use the dog for IPO / agility / Herding, whatever else. If your heart is set on showing, get a different line.
Sounds like the same grief the white shepherds get. Each his own.
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Adorable puppies. Got my heart pumping; puppy and black all rolled into one.
by Xeph on 10 May 2013 - 22:05
Black puppies are not a fault at all....
You may want to be doing some reading through the standard.
You may want to be doing some reading through the standard.
by vonissk on 10 May 2013 - 23:05
Blues do not come out of solid black. The color blue is a recessive and both parents have to carry it. So if you know your lines and your pedigree there's not a chance of either or not knowing what you'll get. So OK you can get a blue out of a black but only if the other partner also carries that gene. People can do what they want but after I had a litter of blues, I started learning more about who carried it etc etc cause I want no blues, livers or whites. Period. BTW for everyone's info it came from good old Seiger Canto..........................
by fawndallas on 11 May 2013 - 00:05
I guess it's just my old eyes; I don't see the blue. Thanks for the confirmation Xeph; I didn't really think black was a fault.
Other than at show, why would a dog's color make it less of a GSD? I am asking this because I am really trying to understand. If the goal is to have a healthy breed, with a stable solid temperament, and the ability to function as the breed is intended, what difference would the dog's color make in these areas?
Other than at show, why would a dog's color make it less of a GSD? I am asking this because I am really trying to understand. If the goal is to have a healthy breed, with a stable solid temperament, and the ability to function as the breed is intended, what difference would the dog's color make in these areas?
by kitkat3478 on 11 May 2013 - 00:05
Vonissk -Sorry, but I have to disagree. My blue dogs came out of ,first time,black to black dogs.
Second time we got them, was out of black mated with sable who carried for the black.
And when we first got the blues,believe me, it was a total shock.
The first one was born to my sisters dogs, that is where I got my boy "Blue" from.
Second time, with the sable, that female was from the DDR Flex V Blauen Modenessor dog.
I know the Flex line carries for the Blue because I know of a woman in Pa that was breeding blues, and her dog was also out of Flex.
I believe while doing some research, I found people claiming that Uran Also carried for blues, that also fits my blue dogs pedigrees.
I have two Solid Blacks now, that are "both" blue carriers, I know this because I have had Blue puppies from them in the past.
AND,despite repeated requests for blue pups, I choose not to breed them .
Like I said, I am trying to do the right thing, FOR and WITH my dogs .
I also hknow someone with a blue female that has begged me to breed her female with my black male.
I refuse due to the fact that her dogs pedigree has many missing links in the 4th and 5th generations.
Not that I am a hypocrit, but I know what great dogs mine are, I refuse to breed what I don't know .
And if it's not that important to this "breeder"(and I use the term loosely), to find out her dogs pedigree, I want no part of the breeding.
I will continue moving up,on my own(well,with my sister,always).
Second time we got them, was out of black mated with sable who carried for the black.
And when we first got the blues,believe me, it was a total shock.
The first one was born to my sisters dogs, that is where I got my boy "Blue" from.
Second time, with the sable, that female was from the DDR Flex V Blauen Modenessor dog.
I know the Flex line carries for the Blue because I know of a woman in Pa that was breeding blues, and her dog was also out of Flex.
I believe while doing some research, I found people claiming that Uran Also carried for blues, that also fits my blue dogs pedigrees.
I have two Solid Blacks now, that are "both" blue carriers, I know this because I have had Blue puppies from them in the past.
AND,despite repeated requests for blue pups, I choose not to breed them .
Like I said, I am trying to do the right thing, FOR and WITH my dogs .
I also hknow someone with a blue female that has begged me to breed her female with my black male.
I refuse due to the fact that her dogs pedigree has many missing links in the 4th and 5th generations.
Not that I am a hypocrit, but I know what great dogs mine are, I refuse to breed what I don't know .
And if it's not that important to this "breeder"(and I use the term loosely), to find out her dogs pedigree, I want no part of the breeding.
I will continue moving up,on my own(well,with my sister,always).
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