USCA doesn't know WDA is WUSV member while WUSV President Henke judges WDA show 2013??? - Page 3

Looking forward to hearing from USCA President Alloway about the "clear and honest communication" which he had with SV/WUSV President Henke last friday during the current week.  The USCA has had years to get it right but did it wrong, so now the clock is ticking as further delays will be difficult to explain away.

by Hundmutter on 11 March 2013 - 03:03

Hundmutter Posts: 1891 Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2011 08:43 pm

Speakin' as a 'b  foreigner', Bubba, the WUSV letter going public was quite enough to catch me up on the situation, thanks. Honestly didn't need your drama and editorialising. That's just off-putting. What we all have to do now is 'wait & see'.  Time enough to rehash every detail if and when there is still no improvement to the situation, surely ? Actually the letter from Herr Henke was implied to be the result of the WUSV not supplying the USCA with "honest and clear communication" when in fact the WUSV had been honest and clear for the last 4 years.  Alloway added this little lie at the end of his letter to the USCA membership on the USCA web site.  Someone reading Alloway's letter might infer that the WUSV was somehow complicit in this fiasco but in fact they were not .. maybe you already knew that??

Bubbabooboo,
How can you make claims that someone is not speak the truth when all the time you are a lie by not signing your real name. Are you afraid of people knowing who you are? How do you and others expect anyone to take you seriously when you can not say who you are?......Bubbabooboo? Really?

Wallace Payne

Really .. the truth needs an author?? I thought the truth was the truth regardless of who spoke it. If I have told a lie or mis-spoke please point out what I said that is incorrect. Otherwise I must assume that the problem is the truth is making some folks uncomfortable. Web boards do not require a signature and in fact discourage using real names because of internet security issues. If you want to use your name and sign it that is your choice. Please tell me why what I have said and posted is all wrong or accept that the truth is the truth regardless. By the way, don't you think that the President of the SV/WUSV flying to the USA and taking time to judge a small GSDCA-WDA trial might have been a significant event and a message for even the stone ears of the USCA to hear in retrospect after the WUSV letter???

I personally don't agree with the JA rule but I became a member of the USCA in the early 90's and have only been a member of the USCA. I could've joined the WDA when the JA rule came into play as many did in protest but I didn't. I didn't because I am perfectly content trialing my dogs at USCA events. I have titled dogs at a WDA event with an SV judge but otherwise I am content trialing at USCA events. If USCA is so crooked and underhanded and not playing by the rules, why doesn't WDA step their game up and form more clubs, have more trials and do their own thing? I'm just asking why is it so important to participate in another organization's events? It seems to me if you belonged to a quality organization with sound structure and leadership you wouldn't need access to any other organization's events. I haven't read any threads about USCA members complaining about not having scores recognized by WDA judges. I haven't because we are content to support our own club's events. We are not trying to enter WDA events because USCA puts on enough well run well judged and well supported events. All of this will get worked out but in the mean time I would suggest the WDA work on improving the quality and quantity of their trials so their membership won't feel the need to spend their entry fees elsewhere, instead of growing their own organization. JMO

Right or wrong through all of his obfucations, Bubba hits one point well; the WUSV through Herr Henke is specific in their directive and interpretation of all that was hashed out ad nauseum on these pages. 

And, if the USCA chooses to continue its affiliation with the WUSV, it will necessarily need to shift its prior position with regard to "recognizing" the WDA and allowing their participation at our events.

Mr. Alloway will no doubt communicate that decision in due time.

Best,

Kevin Nance

The USCA has no position in the WUSV other than that of a small member club.  Should the USCA wish to change the rules that were agreed to as a requirement of USCA membership in the WUSV,  it's delegate can offer amendments and resolutions as can every other member club.  The USCA has 5 votes from a total of 275 member club votes that could possibly be cast.  Herr Henke through his Presidency of the SV and WUSV represents and manages the interests of more than 200,000 members of the WUSV.  and 60,000 plus SV members.  I doubt that he spends much time plotting against the USCA.

Based on the preliminary report on the meeting, aside from recognizing the WDA scorebook, the issue is status quo, with the SV/WUSV recognizing USCA's right to charge non-members a surcharge, to give USCA members priority in entering, even when entering late, and for USCA clubs to reject any entry in club trials. Ergo, USCA will not be pimped. The heavy-handed gambit may, therefore, have backfired and WDA members may be even more "trial-less" than before.

The only gambit was the USCA not obeying the rules and keeping the obligations it made as a WUSV member for 4 years.  Read the letter again.  No surcharges for WUSV club members and no exclusions for WUSV club members except if a club has banned a person individually and they had better have reason.  I interpret the banned reference as pertaining to a USCA member who is banned by their USCA club, joins the GSDCA-WDA and wants to return to the same USCA club which banned them and compete. Of course the banned exclusion would work with any WUSV member club that had banned a member.  Also the letter stated that all WUSV rules must become effective immediately by the USCA on March 10, 2013. 

If Mr. Henke did not explain everything "completely and honestly" last Friday to Mr. Alloway I would recommend a telephone call to ask for further explanation.  My guess is that Herr Henke was very complete and honest.  Mr. Henke probably speaks English fluently as do most German executives as English is used in business communication with most Asian and African nations as well as with English speaking nations.  Most European executives also speak French, Spanish, and Italian in addition to their mother tongue and English.  Therefore clear communication with the WUSV and Herr Henke should be relatively easy.