Benvillarosa All That Jazz PTS after horrific seizures - Page 4

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by noddi on 23 November 2012 - 20:11

the other bitches name was RHEINMEISTER HUNNIBELLE.C arole S.

by truckindog on 23 November 2012 - 22:11

Carole thank you for your openness and frankness. We don't always see eye to eye but when something like this comes up you can rely on your honesty.
Wouldn't it be great to think that one day we just may see Ipo Epileptic clear on a pups pedigree. If people were all in the same frame of mind as you and submitted
 their dogs Dna for assessment then we would get there. The problem I think is that there is more knowledge out there of how deep routed this condition is than some are comfortable with.

by blackfurbabe on 23 November 2012 - 23:11

I am very sorry to hear of your loss,it is very sad indeed all round.
I would also like to thank you for your frank and informative post,i have a female with a line in her pedigree to some of the dogs in the pedigree you posted.I am going to get her pedigree checked very soon so that i can make an informed decision as to where i go with her from here,as of todays date she has never fitted and neither have her progeny who will be 3 and 4 years old now, if a blood sample is required for future research i would be more than happy to oblige.
Thanks again for posting.

by truckindog on 24 November 2012 - 07:11

Blackfurbabe, Can I with respect ask you to contact a. Chris Hazell who will give you all the info on your lines re Epilepsy.
                                                                          b. The Animal Health Trust and explain to them that you heve some of the same line as Jazz. They may require a blood sample 
but more likely a cheek swab will do. They will send a kit and it's a very simple process.
                                                                   Thanks for your honesty and kind words  John.

by Doppelganger on 25 November 2012 - 10:11

Something to think about perhaps?

by GSD John on 25 November 2012 - 11:11

  Thank-you for sharing this website, and good information, it is also interesting the links to Both, Breeders and  Owners and that it is up Publicly for people to be informed.


by Wildmoor on 25 November 2012 - 20:11

Hello John,
So sorry to hear of your loss, I dont come here anymore due to all the back biting
Hopefully Jazz's life wont be in vain and if it makes one breeder make the right descision it will help.
Although you cant name some of the dogs for legal reasons you can name those that are already in print or other formats.
This was my last English dog very similiar breeding to yours and I belive at the back of one of your dogs pedigrees you have his full sibling - he did not have epilepsy but did have HC at blind at 10 months old - this is the comments I put on my dogs pedigree 
I did bring the information to the UK clubs attention at an AGM with the help of Malcolm Robinson who read my letter out to the committee.

But this dog you can name - Lornaville Ambassador as already in the public domain

To those that have GSDs with seizures, firstly rule out all other causes via your vet - Atopica is a drug known for this, check for toxins, viruses, rule out things such as Cerrebellar Abiotrophy (although this is also genetic, some breeds you need both parents some breeds it is x-linked - very important to rule out if your dog is male and he has seizures) it is not known in GSDs as yet which mode it is, rule out all causes once you have done that in particular if there are known producers in the pedigree you vet can give you a letter for the KC stating it is idiopathic epilepsy - if it just states epilepsy the KC cant/wont act.

ps if anyone wats to contact me dont pm as I do not read them email or phone


by Deejay1950 on 18 January 2013 - 13:01

So sorry you have lost your boy, no one sets out to breed an epileptic dog, however some breeders are in total denial that epilepsy is at least partially genetic & that it occurs in the bloodlines of their dogs

Sadly people forget that Quadrille went back via Avon Prince to Ingosohn of Erol another dog linked to epilepsy & inbreeding & line breeding to dogs with epilepsy or who have produced epilepsy is a tragedy waiting to happen.

by Sunsilver on 18 January 2013 - 15:01

How to guarantee genetic problems are passed on:

Linebreeding for Jazz's grandam, Lornaville Firestone Summer Mist:

Jazz himself has Lornaville Firestone Summer Mist  twice in the second generation, on both the mother's and father's side!

He's not in the database: maybe I should add him so that you all can see the linebreeding on him. I'm sure the owner will have no objections as she has already shared the pedigree here in this thread.

People may think it's safe to have linebreeding that's 5 generations back, but if you have the same dogs appearing four, five or even SIX times in the pedigree, you're playing with fire. The chances of deleterious and even lethal recessive genes being passed forward is very, very high.

by Sunsilver on 18 January 2013 - 16:01

Okay, I've added him, and cleaned up some VERY sloppy entries on his ancestors.

Here's the linebreeding on him. If you EVER see this sort of linebreeding on a dog you are thinking of buying....don't walk...RUN OUT THE DOOR!!  Angry Smile

Linebreeding - 5 generations

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