This is a placeholder text
Group text
by SitasMom on 24 October 2012 - 23:10
No, Jyota doesn't have cow hocks........
I'll try to get a photo of her standing to show her hocks......
I'll try to get a photo of her standing to show her hocks......
by SitasMom on 24 October 2012 - 23:10
eventhough this is for Shilo Shepherds........the following link has some excellent issistrations of conformation.
http://www.kokopelli-shepherds.com/Kokopelli-Shepherds/ISS.html
http://www.kokopelli-shepherds.com/Kokopelli-Shepherds/ISS.html
by Nans gsd on 26 October 2012 - 15:10
Cowhocks are a major structural fault.
by Six13 on 28 October 2012 - 16:10
I've seen a cow hocked pup that hasn't improved with age. At 18 months she is still dragging her legs. Terrible and I would be extremely peeved if I was sold a pup that was cow hocked. Definitely a major flaw!
by PINERIDGE on 29 October 2012 - 01:10
Every time I see a thread from the OP -- I just shake my head and go Huh???? --- Cow Hocks? yes - EVERY COW SHOULD HAVE 2 !!!
German Shepherd Dogs -- NONE !!! end of discussion..... I would be more disturbdd to find this FAULT in quality German Lines -- I expect to see it in many American showline dogs because breeders here "overlook"lots and lots of things for the sake of the "movement' they think is attractive and will win -- So as long as judges put up these horrible dogs with "mixmaster" rears -- they will continue to breed them....
Even at 10 weeks old - my imported Show line GSD was clean going away - and at 6 months he still is and will stay that way -- it is the same mentality that says "it's just one little fault" -- lets overlook it and breed him/her anyway that has gotten the breed into many of the troubles it has today --- My vet was just complaining about the large numbers of GSD pups he sees with extremely bad pasterns -- "whole foot on the ground - flopping like crazy" -- the breeders blame the owners for feeding too much protein-- the vet knows better -- it's GENETIC-
German Shepherd Dogs -- NONE !!! end of discussion..... I would be more disturbdd to find this FAULT in quality German Lines -- I expect to see it in many American showline dogs because breeders here "overlook"lots and lots of things for the sake of the "movement' they think is attractive and will win -- So as long as judges put up these horrible dogs with "mixmaster" rears -- they will continue to breed them....
Even at 10 weeks old - my imported Show line GSD was clean going away - and at 6 months he still is and will stay that way -- it is the same mentality that says "it's just one little fault" -- lets overlook it and breed him/her anyway that has gotten the breed into many of the troubles it has today --- My vet was just complaining about the large numbers of GSD pups he sees with extremely bad pasterns -- "whole foot on the ground - flopping like crazy" -- the breeders blame the owners for feeding too much protein-- the vet knows better -- it's GENETIC-
by Hundmutter on 29 October 2012 - 08:10
Pineridge...
by supakamario on 29 October 2012 - 08:10
pine shake on, makes me no difference.....................others i keep hearing "fault" that in my mind tells me (fault =mistake in the show ring), i get that, however the point of this thread was to help me deturmine wether i thing its a Problem with the dog, ive seen in many places ppl say it helps them turn..... that actually make sense to, me, (i get that most in here dont like it.......most in here show.........its a show fault), IS IT A DOG FAULT? if i was looking for a shepherd to actuallly herd some sheep, would i not want it?
by pod on 29 October 2012 - 08:10
"An interesting point of view is to study wild animals, ungulates and predators. It seems that standing with the hind legs, (front too, for that matter)perfectly parallel to each other is man made conformation. It also tends to put strain on the outside of the limbs and cause joint problems. I'm not saying that over angulation is included with cow hock conformation in the wild, that too is man made."
Oh yes, an interesting point joanro. I'd agree that dead straight stance, so revered in many breeds, can be detrimental to the individual. Wolves do tend to stand slightly east/west front and back which could aid stability on rough or slippery surfaces.
And yes, overangulation is no doubt the cause of the extreme cow hocks we see in the GSD, which can hardly be to the benefit of the dog, especially as it is evident in movement too.
Oh yes, an interesting point joanro. I'd agree that dead straight stance, so revered in many breeds, can be detrimental to the individual. Wolves do tend to stand slightly east/west front and back which could aid stability on rough or slippery surfaces.
And yes, overangulation is no doubt the cause of the extreme cow hocks we see in the GSD, which can hardly be to the benefit of the dog, especially as it is evident in movement too.
by pod on 29 October 2012 - 09:10
Supa, I would say a slight turn out of the feet could aid turning and stability, but certainly not the cow hocks associated with overangulation, which if anything, is going to reduce turning ability.
by PINERIDGE on 29 October 2012 - 19:10
good grief --- i'm gonna need to up my blood pressure meds-- i can see that for sure. You need to go to dog shows every weekend for about ten years and then you MIGHT have some clue about correct structure. Von Stephanitz doesn't care whether YOU think it's a problem --it was determined about 100 years ago that it IS. And i don't think "most people" here show in breed -- there are very many working dogs here -- and the last place anybody would fault cow hocks is in the American Breed Ring (especially at a Specialty show) -- if it was faulted in the least way - maybe some of the breeders responsible for ignoring this FAULT - would have stopped by now -- my experience at specialty shows is that it is summarily OVERLOOKED.. either the judges don't care (for sure) or they don't know what's corrrect - since they see more of it than not !! So it's become "normal" -- like soft ears, faulty heads,horrible fronts, flat feet and bad pasterns and questionable temperament .. --oh - but it's okay - because they can move !!!!!! BULLSHIT !!
Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top
