by GSDguy08 on 14 August 2012 - 13:08
by Dobermannman on 14 August 2012 - 13:08
One back to back breeding at a young age I can maybe see. Repeated back to back breedings and then still breeding at nine. That's a greeder not a breeder and their interest is in $$$$ and not improving the breed much less the individual dog.
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by EuroShepherd on 14 August 2012 - 14:08
Many risks involved, pretty much anything that can go wrong in pregnancy/whelping has a higher chance of happening the older the dam is.
Every dam that I've personally known that was bred at 8-9-10 yrs old lost their entire litter or only had 1-2 surviving pups. (No, I've never bred a dog this age, oldest I've ever bred was 6 yrs old.)
Some dogs have been able to successfully have regular size, healthy litters in their old age, but I personally would never take the chance.
I also wonder about the damage done to the eggs/DNA-RNA when an old female is bred. Research shows that starvation, overweight, exposure to toxins, disease, microorganisms, etc, basically anything negative that has ever happened to the body can alter the DNA/RNA in the eggs. Age alone has degrading affects on the eggs and uterine environment. So methinks there is a higher chance of puppies being born with mental/physical health problems from old dams.
Consider Downs syndrome in people (note, I'm not saying dogs get down syndrome, this is just an example of how the chance of a health problem increases with the age of the mother.)
A 25 yr old woman has about a 1 in 2000 chance of having a child with down syndrome. By the time her age has doubled (50 yrs old) she has a 1 in 12 chance of having a child with down syndrome.
Also, in humans, about half of all miscarriages are attributed to chromosomal problems of the fetus, a condition that is not always genetic but caused by negative environmental factors.
by Nans gsd on 14 August 2012 - 15:08
PS: And there is always that POSSIBILITY that the breeding will not take. Mother nature will take care of the bitch hopefully.
by GSDguy08 on 14 August 2012 - 16:08
EuroShepherd, that's scary about what you mentioned with women at 50 having a 1 in 12 chance of their children having down syndrome. It makes me wander what problems puppies could end up as a result of the old age in dogs.
by Hutchins on 14 August 2012 - 16:08
Sorry didn't mean to high-jack this thread from females to males. But to me, one is as bad as the other. Especially when its done for the almighty dollar!!!
by zdog on 14 August 2012 - 16:08
by hexe on 14 August 2012 - 19:08
As bad as breeding back-to-back sounds, it's actually the best option for the health of the bitch, as the uterus weakens with each estrus cycle, whether it's carrying embryos or not. From a purely medical position, the ideal schedule would be to breed the female on every heat once she's 2 years of age, always maintaining her in peak condition, and then retire her from the whelping box at the age of 7 or 8 unless she is a REALLY outstanding specimen of the breed which would warrant a longer breeding career. If a bitch is not bred in her early years because she's been proving herself in a working status during that time, it's possible that she may not even enter the whelping box until she's 4 or 5 years old, at which time back-to-back breedings and breedings into the 9th and 10th years of age are also medically defensible if she again has been maintained in top physical condition throughout her life.
While active in sled dog racing, it was not at unusual for a bitch to work in harness until she was four or five years of age before she was considered to be worthy of breeding, and there was no increase in whelping problems or health issues with those females, even when bred back-to-back; I recall one female in particular that produced one of her best litters, both perfomance-wise and structurally, at the age of ten and bred to a male who was the same age.
The success and suitability of breeding a bitch in her later years depends ENTIRELY upon how well she's being cared for, and how well her physical condition is maintained.
by GSDguy08 on 14 August 2012 - 19:08
by Hutchins on 14 August 2012 - 19:08
OH I SO AGREE WITH YOU GSDguy08!!! They are only in it for the money!
Whew!, now I am finished with my opinion on this.
Thanks for reading this.
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