My Dogs Did Not Come To My Aid :( - Page 13

I guess you are kidding???????

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Joanro. Are all kids A students? No. Some didn't get the genes and others aren't prompted properly by the parents. I could go find a litter of Gsd, malinois, Dobermann, Rotts tomorrow that bring it. Research. You know what dogs/kennels produce this type of dog. Still a crap shoot, but everything is.

chaz , you gotta use them to produce them

Chaz, sorry you didn't get that I was being sarcastic when I posted "how can that be....." I know there are good dogs out there with natural, inborn instinct to protect, I have some myself....Thank you, though for the lesson and your analogy using school chil'ren was sweet. :-/

I have been reading this topic with big interest. A lot of good post have been made and I totally agree with Zimbris about how the GS have become today in many breedings.
I have worked as a K9 officer for many yrs and Im one of the old type officers, who are there because, I think dogtraining and development of the dog is interesting, not because its action and blue lights ;-)
A lot of new officers had problems with the former GS who was harder and had more civil, as Duke mention. Its excatly how it is. Today the dogs must have super ball drive and not go to much civil. And lot of our dogs are so good in the sleeve and even the hidden sleeve, wich is not for a second hidden in the eyes of a working dog, its only made for us human.
The real problem come when we want to make these dogs go civil and make an arrest of a potential dangerous criminal, because where is the sleeve? and a lot of dogs wont bite for real. Some dogs even fail to protect its handler when it comes to a critical situation.....I personally think its sad and a results of breeding only for balldrive and sport.

I call troll on the OP. 
I suggest the OP change the locks on their home, file a police report, and learn how to safely use a firearm.

West1968....you are preaching to the choir, unfortunately when you turn around you have to face the congregation.

I think I'll buy a SFT.

Better to get a dog that needs training not to bite than to get a dog that you need to teach to bite. 

Out of the 8 dogs living in our house (5 are GSD) there is only one who I have confidence will bite a stranger.  But only a stranger, I do not think he would bite someone who he knows well.  The other 4 GSDs in the household are completely untested, untrained, so I have no idea???  3 of those have pretty ferocious barks though, LOL. 

About 6-7 years ago when my best friend was married to her first husband, he was abusive, a druggie and he beat her several times.  They had 3 pitbull terriers and a neapolitan mastiff, none of those dogs ever once came to her aid. 

My first GSD was trained in bitework, all prey/play drive (she was workingline) she was a very social dog who loved playing with the sleeve.  My dad wanted to see what she would do if there was a real break in, so our trainer and a helper staged a break-in with Klaire alone in the apartment we lived in back then.  
So the helper/agitator donned a bite suit (Klaire had never seen one before, only sleeves) and "broke" in the back door (ok, so it was unlocked for him to walk in) and proceeded to "attack" Klaire. 
It literally scared the stink out of her (she blew her anal glands all over the living room! ) but she was brave and she didn't run away, she bit him and fought valiately. 
Last time we ever tried anything like that though!!!  (yes, in retrospect a lot of things should have been done differently)

Back then in the time of Klaire we had a friend who came to the states for a few years from Italy, he had a very handsome, big rottweiler "Mitsol" (sp?) who was very impressive in bitework...until the stick came out, he was terrified of the stick, he would run away and not look back when there was a stick around (no, he was never abused, this was a genetic fear)

30+ years ago my dad had a pair of GSDs, one was a male that he purchased already trained in protection, back then trainers could train a dog to target the throat or groin and that is what this dog would go for.  He was extreme, he was a kill or be killed kind of dog.  Once, my father was in an argument with someone in his driveway (the person was in their vehicle) and his male could hear the argument from inside the garage.  He shattered one of the windows in the garage to get out, charged the vehicle that the person was in and managed to shred the shoulder/arm off the coat that the person was wearing while my dad tried to wrestle him down and the driver took off.  My dad says he's never seen another dog like that one he had.