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by jota on 22 November 2011 - 17:11
After you see the video...... Does all the people are beeing part of a fool?, is a big way to make easy money?, how many people are involved in this?.... big things to resolve in Croatian club.
by jota on 26 November 2011 - 00:11
It will be good if you can support this cause.Silence is the worst way against cheaters.
by yss002 on 26 November 2011 - 07:11
by Stumpywop on 26 November 2011 - 19:11
You have stated that the cases are going to a tribunal in Croatia. So why are you continuing to slate this breeder? Maybe he is guilty of the offences you are accusing him of and maybe not. Surely you have your trust in the tribunal? If not, what is the point of pushing it legally?
Secondly, posting many pictures of a few different dogs with your personal opinions attached doesn't in any way prove that what you're saying is true either.
I'm sure that should this person be found guilty you will get the support you require. Maybe we should have a section on the PDB where breeders ort hose involved in dogs have been found guilty of such crimes are named and shamed so that we have a point of reference to go back to when we're sourcing dogs etc.
Until the tribunal has heard the cases, I don't see any point in going on about it. What are you going to do if they formally find him innocent? bear in mind that it may not go your way even if this man has in fact stolen from you or told lies. If he is found not guilty, he has every right to bring a lawsuit for defamation against you.
As a qualified lawyer, I would advise you (and this is the only piece of legal advice you'll get for "free") to keep defamatory or derogatory comments to yourself until the 3 cases are fully dealt with and published by the tribunal. After that, do as you will.
Secondly, posting many pictures of a few different dogs with your personal opinions attached doesn't in any way prove that what you're saying is true either.
I'm sure that should this person be found guilty you will get the support you require. Maybe we should have a section on the PDB where breeders ort hose involved in dogs have been found guilty of such crimes are named and shamed so that we have a point of reference to go back to when we're sourcing dogs etc.
Until the tribunal has heard the cases, I don't see any point in going on about it. What are you going to do if they formally find him innocent? bear in mind that it may not go your way even if this man has in fact stolen from you or told lies. If he is found not guilty, he has every right to bring a lawsuit for defamation against you.
As a qualified lawyer, I would advise you (and this is the only piece of legal advice you'll get for "free") to keep defamatory or derogatory comments to yourself until the 3 cases are fully dealt with and published by the tribunal. After that, do as you will.
by yss002 on 27 November 2011 - 03:11
Dear Mr. Stumpywop,
Thank you for your respond for secondtime, It is really frustating me, after I put this thread nearly 1 months, No really respond and this situation wake me up and realise that we can not buy a dog through internet, because of the very high level of risk.
"You have stated that the cases are going to a tribunal in Croatia. So why are you continuing to slate this breeder? Maybe he is guilty of the offences you are accusing him of and maybe not. Surely you have your trust in the tribunal? If not, what is the point of pushing it legally?
Actually My intention to put my thread here, Not to slander him, My intention to make a precaution and information to all of us around the world, As I told you that they played another games to catch another victims, but now we can see that they pull back their ads and I got threaten before by PM and email to pull back my thread. and As they told me that they can ask at least 30 people to make a slander against me. No few peoples ????? a big group playing ????
Secondly, posting many pictures of a few different dogs with your personal opinions attached doesn't in any way prove that what you're saying is true either.
Yes, I put many pictures in a way of proof, at least people here can see what I put and think, as I believe most of them, GSD hobbies and Experts can see Pictures and give me an opinions, as freedom of speech. but in the way, I also be careful that as my cases going to tribunal, so all pictures I will be responsible of souces of all information I put here.
I'm sure that should this person be found guilty you will get the support you require. Maybe we should have a section on the PDB where breeders ort hose involved in dogs have been found guilty of such crimes are named and shamed so that we have a point of reference to go back to when we're sourcing dogs etc.
Until the tribunal has heard the cases, I don't see any point in going on about it. What are you going to do if they formally find him innocent? bear in mind that it may not go your way even if this man has in fact stolen from you or told lies. If he is found not guilty, he has every right to bring a lawsuit for defamation against you.
As a qualified lawyer, I would advise you (and this is the only piece of legal advice you'll get for "free") to keep defamatory or derogatory comments to yourself until the 3 cases are fully dealt with and published by the tribunal. After that, do as you will.
yes, Actually there are 2 choices in respond to the cases, and I realised that.
1. Quite, Wait till the tribunal's decision, with respect to All croation german shepherd Club of Association, as they are handling my cases at the level of Club, before we taken these cases to civils courts.
2. Make a thread to let and inform all people know around the world.
First, the cases happening to me, I am quite and waiting for the tribunal's decision, But when I am quite, What 's happening ? Another victim falling down at the same dog ( Nives Semper Wictor). And I am Still quite. Untill I saw They dared to play another games to find a victim, what they think? why they dare to do again? Why ??? Because I am quite, No one care, No problem, and easily to make money.
second, What happened when I shouted it out. They pulled back their ads. at least I have already do something for all of us.
Regarding to deflamation against me, I ever thought, but in fact now, 3 cases against him, 3 persons loss the money delivered to him and never received the dog, 1 person caught him at gkair frankfurt, not correct dog delivered, the dog no tattoo and manipulated documents (pet passports)
What do you think Mr. stumpywop? sometimes, it's not a matter of good or not, right or not right. But hard to be wise to make a decision.
For the latest news, Djuro Ivaskovic I found that he tried to make a harmful slander, not only to me, but to other people.
Anyway, I am a very happy for you, Mr. stumpywop and give another opinions to rethink over what's happening.
Thank you and Best regards,
Thank you for your respond for secondtime, It is really frustating me, after I put this thread nearly 1 months, No really respond and this situation wake me up and realise that we can not buy a dog through internet, because of the very high level of risk.
"You have stated that the cases are going to a tribunal in Croatia. So why are you continuing to slate this breeder? Maybe he is guilty of the offences you are accusing him of and maybe not. Surely you have your trust in the tribunal? If not, what is the point of pushing it legally?
Actually My intention to put my thread here, Not to slander him, My intention to make a precaution and information to all of us around the world, As I told you that they played another games to catch another victims, but now we can see that they pull back their ads and I got threaten before by PM and email to pull back my thread. and As they told me that they can ask at least 30 people to make a slander against me. No few peoples ????? a big group playing ????
Secondly, posting many pictures of a few different dogs with your personal opinions attached doesn't in any way prove that what you're saying is true either.
Yes, I put many pictures in a way of proof, at least people here can see what I put and think, as I believe most of them, GSD hobbies and Experts can see Pictures and give me an opinions, as freedom of speech. but in the way, I also be careful that as my cases going to tribunal, so all pictures I will be responsible of souces of all information I put here.
I'm sure that should this person be found guilty you will get the support you require. Maybe we should have a section on the PDB where breeders ort hose involved in dogs have been found guilty of such crimes are named and shamed so that we have a point of reference to go back to when we're sourcing dogs etc.
Until the tribunal has heard the cases, I don't see any point in going on about it. What are you going to do if they formally find him innocent? bear in mind that it may not go your way even if this man has in fact stolen from you or told lies. If he is found not guilty, he has every right to bring a lawsuit for defamation against you.
As a qualified lawyer, I would advise you (and this is the only piece of legal advice you'll get for "free") to keep defamatory or derogatory comments to yourself until the 3 cases are fully dealt with and published by the tribunal. After that, do as you will.
yes, Actually there are 2 choices in respond to the cases, and I realised that.
1. Quite, Wait till the tribunal's decision, with respect to All croation german shepherd Club of Association, as they are handling my cases at the level of Club, before we taken these cases to civils courts.
2. Make a thread to let and inform all people know around the world.
First, the cases happening to me, I am quite and waiting for the tribunal's decision, But when I am quite, What 's happening ? Another victim falling down at the same dog ( Nives Semper Wictor). And I am Still quite. Untill I saw They dared to play another games to find a victim, what they think? why they dare to do again? Why ??? Because I am quite, No one care, No problem, and easily to make money.
second, What happened when I shouted it out. They pulled back their ads. at least I have already do something for all of us.
Regarding to deflamation against me, I ever thought, but in fact now, 3 cases against him, 3 persons loss the money delivered to him and never received the dog, 1 person caught him at gkair frankfurt, not correct dog delivered, the dog no tattoo and manipulated documents (pet passports)
What do you think Mr. stumpywop? sometimes, it's not a matter of good or not, right or not right. But hard to be wise to make a decision.
For the latest news, Djuro Ivaskovic I found that he tried to make a harmful slander, not only to me, but to other people.
Anyway, I am a very happy for you, Mr. stumpywop and give another opinions to rethink over what's happening.
Thank you and Best regards,
by Stumpywop on 27 November 2011 - 09:11
Firstly, stop addressing me as Mr Stumpywop. it's insulting!
Secndly, your answers make no sense to me. English is my second anguage and I speak, write and read it perfectly. I cannot understand your post. You seem to have repeated what you said before. Posting pictures of other peoples' dogs does not prove anything in your favour.
You say he shouldn't do anything to anyone else. You have no proof that he has. And neither do we. We have only what YOU are saying about him which has resulted in defamatory posts. This man has every right to use your posts on this board against you in a defamation lawsuit and he'd have good reason given some of the content. If he is guilty of what you're accusing him of, then go to the police as what you've described are criminal offences, even in Croatia.
I am NOT going to rethink or change my opinion on this. My opinion is just that. I won't change how I think because my opinion doesn't suit your cause.
Secndly, your answers make no sense to me. English is my second anguage and I speak, write and read it perfectly. I cannot understand your post. You seem to have repeated what you said before. Posting pictures of other peoples' dogs does not prove anything in your favour.
You say he shouldn't do anything to anyone else. You have no proof that he has. And neither do we. We have only what YOU are saying about him which has resulted in defamatory posts. This man has every right to use your posts on this board against you in a defamation lawsuit and he'd have good reason given some of the content. If he is guilty of what you're accusing him of, then go to the police as what you've described are criminal offences, even in Croatia.
I am NOT going to rethink or change my opinion on this. My opinion is just that. I won't change how I think because my opinion doesn't suit your cause.
by yss002 on 27 November 2011 - 12:11
Hi, stumpywop, please just don't get easily insulting by calling you like that, but here I just respect to you.
second, Which part you do not undestand my post ??? but for me everything is crystall, deflamatory post happened, if I put faked evidence, proof and pictures. if you said that My posts will result in deflamatory posts, that means you do not trust me on what I post, How about Jota's post, is it a fake post. and how about roberto Kwoks' evidence and proof he showed to me and I got a copy on my hand, including the payment he made by Western Union. do you think it is a faked evidence.
regarding to The posting of other people's dog does not prove anything, Once more I remind you that the picture of dogs all are related to my case, also Jota's case. do you think that it is a fake????
so Now I ask you that you believe me that I got a proof and evidences of threating from a friend of Djuro Ivaskovic to me for stoping this thread and otherwise there are 30 people who will be accusing me for cheating. do you believe me? and I ask you what kind of crime is, Please let me know.
I have not an intention to change your mind, and I will not change my mind to stop him in order to reduce other damages caused by Djuro Ivaskovic.
by Stumpywop on 27 November 2011 - 18:11
I will not tell you what criminal offences may or may not have been committed, either by the breeder you are accusing or anyone else. If you want legal advice, you will have to pay for it like everyone else has to.
With regard to your "proof" or "evidence", making statements on any forum isn't proof or eviedence of anything. Until someone does have proof of somethign I keep an open mind. There is no evidence as yet of him doing anything wrong any more than there is proof on this board of you being just as wrong.
Do NOT ask me to beleive you and do NOT ask whether someone else's post is truthful or not. Just because YOU have decided to make statements against someone doesn't make it true. Has it occurred to you that it is just as likely that you and your friends have started a hate campaign against the breeder because you didn't get what you wanted? After all, this happenes a lot. So why would I believe you over someone else? Because you say so? How ridiculous!
With regard to your "proof" or "evidence", making statements on any forum isn't proof or eviedence of anything. Until someone does have proof of somethign I keep an open mind. There is no evidence as yet of him doing anything wrong any more than there is proof on this board of you being just as wrong.
Do NOT ask me to beleive you and do NOT ask whether someone else's post is truthful or not. Just because YOU have decided to make statements against someone doesn't make it true. Has it occurred to you that it is just as likely that you and your friends have started a hate campaign against the breeder because you didn't get what you wanted? After all, this happenes a lot. So why would I believe you over someone else? Because you say so? How ridiculous!
by yss002 on 28 November 2011 - 00:11
I will not tell you what criminal offences may or may not have been committed, either by the breeder you are accusing or anyone else. If you want legal advice, you will have to pay for it like everyone else has to.
Yes, you do not need to tell me, because we have a lawyer already.
With regard to your "proof" or "evidence", making statements on any forum isn't proof or eviedence of anything. Until someone does have proof of somethign I keep an open mind. There is no evidence as yet of him doing anything wrong any more than there is proof on this board of you being just as wrong.
From the above setences you wrote, I can tell that you know djuro ivaskovic quite well, yes there is no criminal record of DJuro Ivaskovic at the past on internet, I checked too, instead I found that Djuro ivaskovic is a great breeder, A super handle, honest, honourable, like to help people and a lagenda, I agree with what I found, but it was the past of him, but Now for me, DJuro is the active cheater, thieve, fraud and criminal for GSD business.
during start negotiation with djuro, I have asked Faruk because of worrying djuro will delivered a different dog or something like this as happening a lot, but you know, my friend, Faruk said he knew djuro quite years, he is a honest man and would not do such thing like this, but he has no guaranttee to me. but the problem start happening, all my convesation with Djuro I pass by cc to faruk, and Faruk respond that I do not believe and think that He is ready to do such thing like this. note: all conversation well recorded in my email and hardcopy.
Do NOT ask me to beleive you and do NOT ask whether someone else's post is truthful or not. Just because YOU have decided to make statements against someone doesn't make it true. Has it occurred to you that it is just as likely that you and your friends have started a hate campaign against the breeder because you didn't get what you wanted? After all, this happenes a lot. So why would I believe you over someone else? Because you say so? How ridiculous!
It is important, As a real lawyer, you know and understand how to use a word and sentences, when you put wrongly, it will make a different or wrong opinions, perception and image, I think that you understood about this and I have to complain about this too.
You should put a moral obligation campaign instead of a hate campaign, NO one hate djuro, but he has to pay what he has done.
you should put that you didn't get or receive what you should have instead of you didn't get what you wanted, I am telling you we have a contract with djuro with picture of dog and djuro himself on the contract he signed, so the contract is a deal with details, nothing more than that.
All proof and evidences from my friends only , Yes, because we met here and we do not know each others, and I am indonesia, one in Hongkong, and one is Bolivia, we met here to solve our cases with Djuro.
I will not ask you to trust what we put on thread, but at least you have to know that we are not wasting our time for something like this.
Thanks,
Yes, you do not need to tell me, because we have a lawyer already.
With regard to your "proof" or "evidence", making statements on any forum isn't proof or eviedence of anything. Until someone does have proof of somethign I keep an open mind. There is no evidence as yet of him doing anything wrong any more than there is proof on this board of you being just as wrong.
From the above setences you wrote, I can tell that you know djuro ivaskovic quite well, yes there is no criminal record of DJuro Ivaskovic at the past on internet, I checked too, instead I found that Djuro ivaskovic is a great breeder, A super handle, honest, honourable, like to help people and a lagenda, I agree with what I found, but it was the past of him, but Now for me, DJuro is the active cheater, thieve, fraud and criminal for GSD business.
during start negotiation with djuro, I have asked Faruk because of worrying djuro will delivered a different dog or something like this as happening a lot, but you know, my friend, Faruk said he knew djuro quite years, he is a honest man and would not do such thing like this, but he has no guaranttee to me. but the problem start happening, all my convesation with Djuro I pass by cc to faruk, and Faruk respond that I do not believe and think that He is ready to do such thing like this. note: all conversation well recorded in my email and hardcopy.
Do NOT ask me to beleive you and do NOT ask whether someone else's post is truthful or not. Just because YOU have decided to make statements against someone doesn't make it true. Has it occurred to you that it is just as likely that you and your friends have started a hate campaign against the breeder because you didn't get what you wanted? After all, this happenes a lot. So why would I believe you over someone else? Because you say so? How ridiculous!
It is important, As a real lawyer, you know and understand how to use a word and sentences, when you put wrongly, it will make a different or wrong opinions, perception and image, I think that you understood about this and I have to complain about this too.
You should put a moral obligation campaign instead of a hate campaign, NO one hate djuro, but he has to pay what he has done.
you should put that you didn't get or receive what you should have instead of you didn't get what you wanted, I am telling you we have a contract with djuro with picture of dog and djuro himself on the contract he signed, so the contract is a deal with details, nothing more than that.
All proof and evidences from my friends only , Yes, because we met here and we do not know each others, and I am indonesia, one in Hongkong, and one is Bolivia, we met here to solve our cases with Djuro.
I will not ask you to trust what we put on thread, but at least you have to know that we are not wasting our time for something like this.
Thanks,
by Stumpywop on 28 November 2011 - 10:11
Good God! Grow up! You are in no position to tell me how I should word any of my statements or post.
If you have a lawyer, then why are you asking legal questions? In fact don't bother answering that. I'm not interested.
I won't waste any more of my time or effort on this.
If you have a lawyer, then why are you asking legal questions? In fact don't bother answering that. I'm not interested.
I won't waste any more of my time or effort on this.
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