Hemangiosarcoma in GSDs...Do you know of any particular lines it runs in? - Page 3

That makes no sense. I don't need access to anything for you to supply a supporting quote and an actual reference citation.

OK... Its seems you did not understand what I was getting at... I wanted to be nice about this....

YOU NEED ACESS TO SEE WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING AT

Lets do this step by step

Do you have access to FULL articles in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, Journal of Small Animal Practice,
Journal of Herpetological Medicine and Surgery or Journal of the British Veterinary Association?  EVEN FULL ACCESS TO ONE WILL SUFFICE  If yes, move on to the next question.  If no, you MUST STOP HERE and my point stands.  Did you read or skim ANY of the articles posted by TingiesandTails?  If so, you would cleary see that two of them have many citations from the above Acedemic Journals.

If you have said access to read articles in this journal, you can look up and read the following cited article with ease:

Prymak C, McKee LJ, Goldschmidt MH, Glickman LT.(1988) Epidemiologic, clinical, pathologic, and prognostic characteristics of splenic hemangiosarcoma and splenic hematoma in dogs: 217 cases (1985). Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association. 193(6):706-12.

I chose this one because I have seen it cited a lot.  Its doesn't fully explore our discussion, but is a STARTING point.  If you understood what I was saying, you would know to then search for articles that CITE this specific research paper.  Papers citing the above article are likley to have bits and pieces of what we are talking about on this topic, not a conclusive answer.  Unless someone recieved a research grant to conduct such a specific study you will have to read many, many articles to formulate an opinion based on very diverse research.  I don't know the answer for sure because I don't have all day to go on a goose chase for someone who doesn't even know how to look up cited acedemic works.

I know you are using the free PubMed site. THIS IS NOT THE SAME ACCESS I HAVE AND WILL NOT LET YOU READ THE FULL JOURNAL ARTICLE.  Nor will it show EVERY article that has cited the Prymak, McKee, Goldschmidt and Glickman articles.  You are basically aking me to provide something that you have no way of accessing.  Did you even look at or understand the works cited for the German language disertation, they are in english? 

so because my natural hair color is dark red does that mean im more prone to cancer than my brown haired sister ? i can understand dogs who have a lack of melatonin  which causes them to be washed out or lighter causeing problems because that is genetic it can cause immune system problems and all kinds of other things. but i dont see how a rich pigmented dog sable or b/r would be more prone to cancer... my male had very little red he was a dark sable but his undertones where tan not red. he had cancer at 4. but it was lymphatic.... so please show me copy and paste if u must atleast 10 studies that say cancer is linked to red color in dogs and humans.... if its just one scientists hype it most likely is not true.. if more than 10 then i would have to start to believe.

I lost my Eli to hemangiosarcome in 2009 just 6 weeks before his 9th birthday. He showed no signs real  of illness. He had eaten a bit lessin th e weeks before he passed but tis was normal for him when the weather turned hot.
I have done a lot of reading about this horrible cancer hopeing to prevent Benny from getting it. It seems to be a fairly common cancer in GSD's  and not in any particular lines . There are studies that show dogs spayed and neutered have a 2.7  higher risk. http://webcanine.com/2007/research-on-neutering-and-spaying/

Kari, I'm sorry for your loss. While I'm sure there may be a genetic predisposition to this or other cancers, I doubt that anyone has the key to understanding the genetics involved. jackie harris

so please show me copy and paste if u must atleast 10 studies that say cancer is linked to red color in dogs and humans.... if its just one scientists hype it most likely is not true.. if more than 10 then i would have to start to believe.

You cannot copy and paste someones published research, its same as downloading movies and music.  The stuff I am talking about will not be on yahoo news etc.  Can I give you links to 10 current studies specifically linking color to cancer? No, but it is not because such research does not exist.  The stuff I have seen lately is in the form of "conference procedings"  if you don't know what I talking about, TOUGH, because if you don't know, there is no way you could look it up without major assistance.  If I had more time, I could get into the nity grity of it and give more leads, however I don't think many folks following this thread have the background or know how to follow up on anything I say anyway. 

As I said earlier look up articles that cite the Prymak, McKee, Goldschmidt and Glickman paper and you will find at least 2 other published studies that support such claims.  If you don't know how to do this, like I said before I can't help you.

If someone has ever done graduate level research, published an acedemic paper or is currently a researcher or professor somewhere, please feel free to jump in and help these folks find what they are looking for and teach them how to find it. 

Sorry but, I am not going to.

So... there's seriously important information "known" about the health of our dogs, but it's a secret? 

Really, if anything like a cancer link to colour had been "discovered" it would be all over the press and dogdom in general.  There are loads of health scares... every week!  Don't eat this, don't use that, etc, etc.  Do we change our lives?  No, because we know that in a few months or years, someone else tells us the oppo' is true!

If this had any teeth, there would be no restriction on viewing.  I don't doubt there are familial links and colour links (white, albino) but this red thing is simply fanciful imo.

If this had any teeth, there would be no restriction on viewing. 

Go back to school or call a librarian and ask for help, you are making a fool out of yourself with statements like this. ITS NOT A SECRET, IT SIMPLY COST MONEY TO ACCESS THE INFORMATION AND POSTING THE FULL ARTICLES ON A PUBLIC FORUM CARRIES THE SAME PENALTIES AS FILE SHARING A MOVIE OR SONG.  Unless of course, you are enrolled in a university that PAYS for journal access or you still have access at your alma mater.  Having access does not allow someone to simply post it on the internet willy nilly. 

I did also mention "conference procedings", do you know what those are?

If you went to college and wrote a literature review in an upper division class you should know EXACTLY what I am talking about, if not, I have no idea what to say to you.  I already stated that I am not going to do DATABASE RESEARCH for you.  Nor am I going to read through 100 articles to give you a "sound byte" and citation that you can't even look up.  I gave you an article and the steps to follow through, either ask for help at a library or stop making comments about things you CLEARLY have no understanding of.

By the way, there is LOTS of unpublished, yet sound, private sector research that the general public WILL NEVER SEE.  If you don't know about this, I weep for your offspring.

I just returned today as I posted the original topic and was excited when I saw how many replies I had.  I quickly realized that most of those replies were people bickering about whether or not they could see an article.
I am looking for information on this topic while mourning the terrible loss of my Graci.  I would appreciate it if those who are bickering would take their posts and comments elsewhere so that I don't have to weed through them to get to information from those really trying to help me.
Thank you so much to those who posted their condolences for my loss and for those who posted information they have on this topic.

Kari

 In a previous post you say: Thats a lot of money to be lost in the market, so I assume it will be hush, hush until doomsday. 

Thereby implying, that breeders KNOW and are keeping this quiet for financial reasons!  Too silly!

You also say, to me: Read the complete articles and THEN come back and comment, not before. 

I suppose I'll just have to wait for you to educate me... once your head's no longer inserted in your rectum perhaps?  Really... get over yourself.  Before you get carried away with telling everyone else how thick they are; have a good look at your own posts.  I have no idea what "field" you're in but you're certainly short on basic good manners!  My initial post was to TT and it was civil.

If proof exists................ it would be big news, some boffin made famous!  




 

Sorry Kari.