Brindle Gsd! Did Not Think This Was Possible! - Page 8

I fully believe that the piebald aspect can spontaneously crop up in any animal. It's a side effect of tthe domestication process; co-related somehow to the change in temperament hardwiring from "tame" to "domestic." The Russian fur foxes are a good example of this: more than just juvenilization, the entire animal changed. I can see such things occuring in dog breeds even now.

Brindle, on the other hand, I remain more dubious of. My understanding of the trait places it as a dominant one that cannot be hidden under something else. While it's possible for it to crop up again -- it had to start with some mutation somewhere -- I believe piebald and Irish white spotting are far more likely to spontaneously occur in the breed.

A while back, we produced a GSD out of American lines that had a white throat, and blaze from muzzle to forehead. She was aptly nicknamed Blaze, and sold as a pet. None of the other pups had so much as a white spot on their chests. Had I known that would've become valuable someday I could've started my own piebald line *laughs* bit at the time sweet little Blaze was more of an oddity, and partial embarassment, than anything else. Nice puppy though, color aside.

I have seen many GSD with a white spot on throat. or white on the nails. also, I showed American dogs for a lot of years and never heard the term s/l. and I can say if one uses this term around folks who actually show American dogs and win they will have no idea what you are saying.

In the American ring, the dog who gets the points is a "show" dog and the second place is a pet. And the pedigree doesn't mean squat, unless someone wants a brood bitch.

would you be so kind as to post the pic and pedigree of this American "s/l" with a blaze face. I'm sure it had some AKC Champions somewhere way back in the distant past.

Rik

I'd like to see a pic of Blaze as well.

Aww, Elkorr... had to pull out the big guns with the puppy pictures... :) What a bunch of cuties. What does that little brindle pup look like now? Have your dogs ever produced one like that before?

Hi Rik

I wouldn't assume that the fact it is not talked about doesn't mean it never occurred in Germany.  I have a German friend who was the breeder of Bero Friedersdorfer Flur  (circa 1980) so has been well into the breed for a good few years and knowledgeable, yet he had never seen a blue or even heard of one!  I sent him a pic in case he misunderstood what I meant and he didn't know anyone who had had one born in a litter.  I even asked if it was likely to have been culled if one appeared and he assured me that no breeder he knew would do that, it would simply be offered as a pet.  However he had seen one registered in the breed book as an untranslatable colour and supposed  it could be a blue.  Maybe they aren't talked about because they are considered irrelevant to the breed in Germany.

Margaret N-J

I looked into blues and what lines they were coming from for over a year and followed a white gsd information site that has since been taken down once every one started following it like me that was showing the crop up of blues were in lines that also carry white masking gene. So what you have said intrests me greatly about no blues in Germany and it may be because they started keeping the whites from the breeding for so long perhaps?

There is no genetic connection between blues and whites GSDNewbie and they certainly do get blues in Germany, they just don't take any notice of them.  People that like the off colours will often mix them, will often create a white that carries blue for example, by design so that would account for why you see the same lines producing both, especially on a forum for whites.  There is a forum for blues and livers and many of the members have whites as well, some of the litters are like a rainbow when you see the photos.  Though I am not into off colours, I do find it interesting to see what these breeders get and from what backgrounds, the members are very open about their breeding programs and most take it very seriously, with health testing and backup for the pups they sell.

Margaret N-J

Margaret, blues are well noted and not all that uncommon in some lines. While there are some breeders who might well try to conceal that their dog produces blues, there would be no reason I can think of for any to try and conceal a brindle.

I try and not assume much, you know how the saying goes there. And I certainly am not assuming that a breeder selling off color dogs, has by some miracle come up with another color variation to offer the puppy buying market.

I do feel pretty safe in assuming that with the large international membership here, that if a brindle had been produced in say the last 50 years, someone would know of it.

best,
Rik

Dawulf, the striping on that girl is basically completly gone. I could shave her down and see if its underneat somewhere LOL  

here she is with 7 weeks


and with 4 months (she is a bit more reddish than it appears in this pic)

Ahhhh she's adorable! :) I love how she has Apache's markings but she's such a dark dark color. It'd be interesting if the stripes came back!

Dawulf cant do purple for you but there was a litter from Blackpool advertised as Lilac   lol

you will find those that breed for non standard colours in the UK may have started to health test but most ignore the results and breed regardless they will also inbreed on known producers of epilepsy, Dilute Alopecia etc