Misconduct of Irish breeder, - Page 2

I have just finished drafting a letter to the Irish Kennel Club for breeding a female 3 times back to back with high hips and although they might not take action against him for his criminal way it will be on record,
he has removed the add on Done deal selling the older females I hope this is not because some one has bought them, that will be such a shame,

actually I feel very sad for the animals involved they still deserve love and to lead a life suitable to their conformation as possible and it might be a good idea for someone else to buy them;  although I can understand the sentiments expressed.  I could understand it better if they were spayed and then went to other homes;  this way might ensure they were not bred again.  But remember the dogs are the ones that are suffering no one else - that is if things are as stated on the message board and I have no info on this one way or the other;  just mindful that the dogs should not be penalised as they have absolutely no control over their lives.

Actually Abby you are wrong to say KC/SV all the same, except for the amount of money involved because realistically of course there is a vast difference between the two. Yes I agree you will always get those willing to cheat, in every corner of the world, no matter what rules are in place. But there is still a huge differ enc between the two bodies for example:-
 
The KC will register ANY litter, makes no difference if either parent has a Health check or not, of ANY description. The KC will register ANY litter, makes no difference if either parent has a character test of not, of ANY description. The KC will register ANY litter, makes no difference if the pedigree of either parent can actually be PROVED or not. The KC will register ANY litter regardless of the fact they cannot prove if the pups were actually a product of the stated mating or not. 

In contrast  the SV checks, tests, trials etc proves all the above. Now as I said earlier, there may be some that manage to 'buck' the system by some form of cheating. But even the biggest SV hater or sceptic in world would have to admit that the possibility of EVERYBODY being able to BUCK the system with EVERY ANIMAL they EVER breed from would be an absolute impossibility. Indeed, I would say it would be an absolute impossibility for the MAJORITY of breeders. Therefore, this reasoning alone proves the SV for all its possible flaws, HAS TO BE A FAR SUPERIOR body when it comes to the Health and Welfare of our breed than ever our KC could hope to be with their current rules and regulations. The nature of the beast relies solely on the principles as well as the discretion of each individual breeder and if you are prepared to believe people involved in breeding under the SV system cheat, how much more cheating do you think it is possible to achieve under the KC system???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So come on everybody, be adult about it, use your nouse and be honest and intelligent enough to stop this silly comparison between the two systems. Simply there is No Comparison except in their vast difference towards breed health and welfare. Yes it is a disgrace that so many dogs under the SV system are sold for big bucks, but that doesn't change the fact that the SV system (by fact of all the checks required) produces a larger percentage of healthy animals of proven character, than the KC system could ever hope to achieve.

Regards
Sue b

RATHFINIAN GSD,
Just to answer one question in the defence of the sire as i own him . With all due respect i have no problem naming him and no problem with his bva , YES HE IS CHAMPION SIEGERLAND MICHEAL AND YES HIS BVA IS 7+4=11 and come from Aline of acceptable bva for breeding, in any event let the truth be told i have every intention of  taking a pup from this litter as ,we have been assured that the female bva is within the standard for breeding from . Any other problems the have occurred in any other litters from this female is no reflection on the sire of this litter .We as the owners of the sire have his best interests  at heart and will have no qualms about putting his bva cert on the database in his defence .
 thank you
concerned owners

Geraldine

I dont think anyone on here has questioned the credentials of the sire of this litter  & if they have you now have put at least one half of the story to rights!. I cant find Ciaras hip score anywhere on KC data base . Her litter brother has a hip score total 10 & her mother has a score in the 30s . The problem I would have is with the breeder ! He has bred this female 3 times in a row .  Why would he do this? How many puppies has he retained from these matings? What is an acceptable hip score for breeding ?  You say you have been assured that hipscore is acceptable for breeding , so will you please enlighten us to what Ciaras hip score is ? It has to be at worst a total of 19 & preferably lower ! Derek has bred at least 6 litters this year !  A lot for a so called hobby breeder !How many of these puppies has he retained for himself ? I also know he used at stud a dog with a hipscore of 27 & from this litter he had a dwarf , a fact he was quick to tell anyone who would listen , but why would he even use at stud a dog with this score when there are many other dogs he could have used . The list goes on & on . You could write a book on the dirty tricks this man has committed. It is time he was stopped. People like him are doing this noble breed a great injustice !

I have stayed off this post because as a club member we have been asked not to use the internet to discuss GSD business, but this sound like Geraldine that you are blaming my dog Solo for the 2 previous litters, Get rebbecca Stapelton to word it for you she has a masters in English,
who ever assured you the female has hips in the standard  of breeding is a  liar, her and her mother have high hips, and is producing them and you know this as I told you over the phone,
And i'm shocked with you Geraldine trying to take the blame from a man that nearly killed your husband with abaseball bat,

Kenneth Duggan
 

hi ken in no way would i ever blame your dog for any of this as all im trying to do is defend my own dog and just going on what was said about the pervious liter from the female ,im sorry if you woud think that of me just the meer fact of my own dog  and thats why i came on this ,i was told what was on the datebase and i felt a need to defend my dog as you would yours, and i don,t need the one with a masters in english to help me do that. geraldine

I do think thats the way you have it worded, and so do all the people that have rang, texted and emailed me to say what you have up,

Can you tell me who assured you the female has good hips cause I know first hand from the bva she has not,