police K9 training-''VERY aggressive dog'' - Page 3

Slamdunc,

Thanks for the explanation on your methods for using an ecollar. Some I hadnt thought of and now it makes more sense when I see them on police dogs.

As for Fred Hassen, I use to live in his neighborhood and since I cant think of much to say thats positive about him other than he does market himself very well, I wont say anything else.

I agree with you doberdoodle if a dog cannot be trained (the average companion dog) without the use of an  e collar, then I feel the training is flawed.  I have used shock collars for long distance work (field work with retrievers) and the beep on the collar is a great alert without having to "hit the button" unless the dog is off track or just not paying attn but  for everything else, its the good ol plain jane choke, prong or just leather collar.

Jim,
Your explanation of the use of an e-collar by some Law Enforcement is extremely good. MORE important it is practical and based on application. All dogs do not need or benefit from the use of an e-collar. Some dogs are more effective and do benefit greatly from the use of an e-collar. When it comes to Law Enforcement, results are more important than theory or somebodies feelings about something, as the stakes are higher with injury and liability and even death being inserted in the equation. When on the streets working with a dog as a partner I can't worry how the purist will react to my equipment as long as the equipment is used correctly and brings a good result and doesn't hurt the teamwork of me and my dog. I think anyone that is NOT a police officer should read Jim's post again because the points made (some) are unique to policework work and based on his dog and what is proven between the two.
I also believe muzzle work should be introduced in obedience and tracking before it is used for aggression. Its all about foundation and you must have one with the relationship between your dog and the muzzle, if not the dog will view the muzzle as a green light for only what you use it for. JMO

Bhaugh,
Your welcome.  I agree with you and Gustav.

Gustav,
I always enjoy your posts.    You wrote:
I can't worry how the purist will react to my equipment as long as the equipment is used correctly and brings a good result and doesn't hurt the teamwork of me and my dog

 My goal is to keep my dog working in a high drive state and to enjoy his work.  I don't have the luxury of training for 2 years before trialling my dog.  I can't run hundreds of practice tracks waiting to run a real track.  I can't use compulsion to make my dog extremely driven to search for narcotics.  The results we get are a direct reflection on our training and our bond as a team.  I will continue to research and train and use the techniques that give me the most desirable, reliable, dependable, repeatable and proven results, while maintaining my dogs joy for the work.  An Ecollar works the way I use it and is a very practical tool.  If it wasn't I wouldn't use it.

Jim