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by Abby Normal on 18 August 2010 - 20:08
Ace952
There is a world of difference between giving up and acknowledging that you may have made a mistake.
It is always wise to acknowledge a mistake and rectify it sooner rather than later. No-one loses at this stage. Bear in mind what the poster said - after 3 weeks they are losing patience with the pup. The wife already wants to give the dog away. This to my mind is not a situation where everyone is going to be as committed as they need to be for it to work out.
I have seen far too many people in a variety of situations have a dog that for whatever reason is causing problems, decide to stick it out a while, then instead the dog is stuck in a cage because it is the easiest option. It IS hard to be on top of a dog 24/7 esp if you have other distractions. Next step - the dog gets put in the garden - then eventually gets given away to a shelter, unsocialised, and more often than not unadoptable. So who pays the price in the end for not giving up?
There is a world of difference between giving up and acknowledging that you may have made a mistake.
It is always wise to acknowledge a mistake and rectify it sooner rather than later. No-one loses at this stage. Bear in mind what the poster said - after 3 weeks they are losing patience with the pup. The wife already wants to give the dog away. This to my mind is not a situation where everyone is going to be as committed as they need to be for it to work out.
I have seen far too many people in a variety of situations have a dog that for whatever reason is causing problems, decide to stick it out a while, then instead the dog is stuck in a cage because it is the easiest option. It IS hard to be on top of a dog 24/7 esp if you have other distractions. Next step - the dog gets put in the garden - then eventually gets given away to a shelter, unsocialised, and more often than not unadoptable. So who pays the price in the end for not giving up?
by Ace952 on 18 August 2010 - 20:08
Abby - I certainly agree with you. I will say that yes it can be frustrating. They should give them selves a deadline to work with a trainer and try some solutions. It has been 3 weeks but at least they are willing to look for a trainer first to see if they can get a hold of this issue. That right there says that they want to try. She came here looking for recommendations for trainers and some suggestions to help out. i don't see it as a mistake until she has received some advice and tried it as well as gotten with a trainer to help fix these issues and both have failed.
I think saying "return it" right now isn't answering the questions that they posed or helping giving the person some knowledge of figuring ho how to fix the problem. I think after some suggestions and a trainer that if the problem still occurs then look at returning or selling the pup. We all get frutrated when we don't have the right solution and it takes the help of some professionals to fix it.
There has been way more "return the pup" instead of..."hey I may know of a trainer outt here who can help" as well as possible solutions. I just don't think that shooting down someone's advice without having a remedy other than "give up the pup" really helps the owner.
And this isn't directed at you Abby so please don't think it is...lol
I will just say that I read a lot of messageboards and it seems like when a person is having problems with a animal and their frustrated and need some help, people generally tell them "re-home the animal!!" I understand people caring about the dog but at some point you have to help the person. There is a possibility the same issue could happen with the next dog and here we are yet again. If people were truly concerned then reply with some advice b/c who knows there maybe someone else with the same problem but may not ask because they don't want to hear..."re-home the dog!!...will soemoen think about the dog!!" Heck send a pm with a phone number to call and help them with it. I would if I knew a solution. Heck I say call Cesar Millan but that may take too long. With so many people on here claiming to have so much GSD experience and yada yada yada, why not try and help them first.
JMO
I think saying "return it" right now isn't answering the questions that they posed or helping giving the person some knowledge of figuring ho how to fix the problem. I think after some suggestions and a trainer that if the problem still occurs then look at returning or selling the pup. We all get frutrated when we don't have the right solution and it takes the help of some professionals to fix it.
There has been way more "return the pup" instead of..."hey I may know of a trainer outt here who can help" as well as possible solutions. I just don't think that shooting down someone's advice without having a remedy other than "give up the pup" really helps the owner.
And this isn't directed at you Abby so please don't think it is...lol
I will just say that I read a lot of messageboards and it seems like when a person is having problems with a animal and their frustrated and need some help, people generally tell them "re-home the animal!!" I understand people caring about the dog but at some point you have to help the person. There is a possibility the same issue could happen with the next dog and here we are yet again. If people were truly concerned then reply with some advice b/c who knows there maybe someone else with the same problem but may not ask because they don't want to hear..."re-home the dog!!...will soemoen think about the dog!!" Heck send a pm with a phone number to call and help them with it. I would if I knew a solution. Heck I say call Cesar Millan but that may take too long. With so many people on here claiming to have so much GSD experience and yada yada yada, why not try and help them first.
JMO
by EUROSHEPHERDS on 19 August 2010 - 04:08
What does she do after correction ( any kind ,NO , Harsh no ,water bottle,etc...) if she stops and give up right away there is a hope for you as a new owner/ trainer . you can work it up what ever method works for your family ( diy, trainer,class, someone with previouse exp ,family or freind raise her for you,etc.....) . But if she grows back and re attack again this puppy definatly needs go to the home that appreciate this puppy and use her for her full potential ,sport ,service etc.. PS; you did not say anything about her parents. are they working breed .hard dog ?
by VonIsengard on 19 August 2010 - 12:08
I doubt the breeder will take it back. What kind of horse's ass sells any puppy at six weeks of age, let alone to a family with a special needs child? The pup did not have the chance to learn any bite inhibition from her mother or siblings.
I am strongly against giving up on any pup but those of you coming down on posters who are suggesting it really need to think for a moment. Clearly the owner didn't do much research before the purchase. Is a GSD really the right breed of dog at all for this family? A much more mellow breed would have been appropriate.
Do you really want a pet owner piecing together every bit or random advice they find on the internet? Any yahoo who took three classes with Fluffy is a self-proclaimed dog trainer in cyberspace. I've lost track of how many times I've heard, "my friend said this" "my neighbor said that" "I read this on a website" and most of the advice is downright cringeworthy. I understand people want to help, the owner must be helped in person, by an actual trainer.
That said, if you are committed to keeping this puppy, I second keeping the pup on a leash. All interactions with your child need to be consistently monitored until the pup is more mature and is at an age where you can expect more solid obedience. Do not expect the results you need with any random idiot pet store "dog trainer". Shop around for a trainer. Look for a facility where the dogs in training are precise, calm, and respectful and the handler are diligent but kind. That's where you train your puppy. You must be dedicated to working with this puppy every single day in addition to supervising her with your son. There is no magic wand fix in a baby puppy, it will take time and training. Anything less is doing the puppy, and your family, a disservice.
I am strongly against giving up on any pup but those of you coming down on posters who are suggesting it really need to think for a moment. Clearly the owner didn't do much research before the purchase. Is a GSD really the right breed of dog at all for this family? A much more mellow breed would have been appropriate.
Do you really want a pet owner piecing together every bit or random advice they find on the internet? Any yahoo who took three classes with Fluffy is a self-proclaimed dog trainer in cyberspace. I've lost track of how many times I've heard, "my friend said this" "my neighbor said that" "I read this on a website" and most of the advice is downright cringeworthy. I understand people want to help, the owner must be helped in person, by an actual trainer.
That said, if you are committed to keeping this puppy, I second keeping the pup on a leash. All interactions with your child need to be consistently monitored until the pup is more mature and is at an age where you can expect more solid obedience. Do not expect the results you need with any random idiot pet store "dog trainer". Shop around for a trainer. Look for a facility where the dogs in training are precise, calm, and respectful and the handler are diligent but kind. That's where you train your puppy. You must be dedicated to working with this puppy every single day in addition to supervising her with your son. There is no magic wand fix in a baby puppy, it will take time and training. Anything less is doing the puppy, and your family, a disservice.
by Abby Normal on 19 August 2010 - 13:08
Ace952
No offence taken at all, we all have our own opionions, but no-one can say whether any given answer is right. For me, I like to read between the lines as well as the words....
You said:
It has been 3 weeks but at least they are willing to look for a trainer first
No, the OP wants to look for a trainer, his wife already wants to give the dog away.
So, OP's wife doesn't want the dog, plus, there is a disabled child, needing a heck of a lot of attention I would think, in the mix.
I am curious as to what a non-breeder is. Was this just someone who was giving a pup away? Was it a spur of the moment thing on OP's part when offered a pup? Do they have any experience of owning any dog? More questions than answers.
OP hasn't been back on with any thoughts.
No offence taken at all, we all have our own opionions, but no-one can say whether any given answer is right. For me, I like to read between the lines as well as the words....
You said:
It has been 3 weeks but at least they are willing to look for a trainer first
No, the OP wants to look for a trainer, his wife already wants to give the dog away.
So, OP's wife doesn't want the dog, plus, there is a disabled child, needing a heck of a lot of attention I would think, in the mix.
I am curious as to what a non-breeder is. Was this just someone who was giving a pup away? Was it a spur of the moment thing on OP's part when offered a pup? Do they have any experience of owning any dog? More questions than answers.
OP hasn't been back on with any thoughts.
by Ryanhaus on 20 August 2010 - 13:08
I may guess that you have never owned a GSD, my advise is to rehome your pup to someone that has knowledge of the breed, and get a Labrador Retriever or a Golden Retriever, they have a softer mouth than a GSD and tend to be less serious, although they make excellent companions like a GSD, just more laid back & goofy.
You should not take a pup from it's mom so early, so if you decide on a different dog, invest in a well-bred dog from a reputable breeder, or you will only be heart-broken later.
Sounds like your pup has good drive to be a police dog or agility dog, you should make your choice now on whether to keep the pup and spend thousands on training her for what you want, or get another dog that has a therapy dog background, and is gentler.
I see too many dogs that are given up after they are grown, I can say by reading this post that this is not a good fit for your family, and the only one who will pay any consequences is the puppy, do the right thing.......
You should not take a pup from it's mom so early, so if you decide on a different dog, invest in a well-bred dog from a reputable breeder, or you will only be heart-broken later.
Sounds like your pup has good drive to be a police dog or agility dog, you should make your choice now on whether to keep the pup and spend thousands on training her for what you want, or get another dog that has a therapy dog background, and is gentler.
I see too many dogs that are given up after they are grown, I can say by reading this post that this is not a good fit for your family, and the only one who will pay any consequences is the puppy, do the right thing.......
by SitasMom on 20 August 2010 - 19:08
sell the puppy before its not cute any more and get a 1 to 2 old that's trained.
by boxergrrl on 22 August 2010 - 07:08
@SitasMom - 6mo old dog... then 10mo old dog... now 1-2 yr old dog?
by Jeff Oehlsen on 24 August 2010 - 05:08
Quote: I will just say that I read a lot of messageboards and it seems like when a person is having problems with a animal and their frustrated and need some help, people generally tell them "re-home the animal!!"
And thank God for that. WAY too many retards out there buying dogs. They go on the internet, find the answers to the breeders questons, bullshit their way into a puppy, and all hell breaks loose.
I have gotten some nice dogs this way. LOL
It really is the nature of the beast. I cannot fault someone for wanting a good dog, but some people just cannot use common sense.
I also see the OP has run off. I guess when people started pointing out that having a young pup with some drive and a child that shakes from a disorder is probably not the brightest of ideas, they ran off to get a different opinion. Too bad, I was going to ask for a video, and then see if they would send the dog to me. LOL
And thank God for that. WAY too many retards out there buying dogs. They go on the internet, find the answers to the breeders questons, bullshit their way into a puppy, and all hell breaks loose.
I have gotten some nice dogs this way. LOL
It really is the nature of the beast. I cannot fault someone for wanting a good dog, but some people just cannot use common sense.
I also see the OP has run off. I guess when people started pointing out that having a young pup with some drive and a child that shakes from a disorder is probably not the brightest of ideas, they ran off to get a different opinion. Too bad, I was going to ask for a video, and then see if they would send the dog to me. LOL
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