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by Abby Normal on 26 July 2010 - 17:07
Now it would take months or longer to really collate and draw a picture from the information - but quickly scrolling through I thought there seemed remarkably few recent entries. Now perhaps this is because a lot of exhibitors are switching to the German system which the KC won't record, or perhaps a lot less people are now breeding the GSD.
This raised a lot of questions in my mind.
The problem I see is the gap where no score appears. What is not obvious is whether the dog isn't scored at all, or has been scored under the German system, as the KC will not record anything but a UK score. More importantly how can anyone check the accuracy of the results from the German system? With the BVA system you can check the results on any dog. Is there a similar link to a database with the results for German dogs that can be accessed? and if so, could someone put up a link?
Otherwise how is anyone to know whether a dog that has been imported may have been classified as not suitable for breeding in Germany but then bred from in the UK? The same with UK dogs that are scored under the German system (which I was informed is now available in the UK), is there a checking mechanism for a buyer? I am totally ignorant of how this works only ever having used the BVA system, but it seems to me that you should be able to check the veracity of a health result whatever system is used.
I still also wonder about the differences between the German system and the BVA system, after reading somewhere that a dog with passing German grade on hips came up as a score of 34 on the BVA system, but under the German system was therefore classified as suitable for breeding.
Also, where are the results from UK breed surveys now being undertaken available to be accessed?
Yes, it raised a lot of questions for me.
by Dodger on 26 July 2010 - 20:07
by Wildmoor on 26 July 2010 - 23:07
When were your dogs scored as the list is only updated once the new BRS is out.
Peggy,
The KC on-line system does give you the parents score if they have been scored that is, it is on the right hand side
Sire Test results and Dam Test results all can be downloaded in pdf
Abby normal, recent results will not be shown until published in the BRS, the current KC/BVA scheme started approx 1984 prior to this was the GSDL scheme, but the list starts at a much later date approx 1990 as they did not have permission to make public prior to this. Any dogs shown on list scored prior to this is because the owners re submitted the plates.
by Peggy on 27 July 2010 - 06:07
by Abby Normal on 27 July 2010 - 10:07
@ Wildmoor
Sorry, I didn't really put my statement of 'recently' into context. I don't mean in the last couple of months. I was referring to the list that was put up about a week ago, which was to April 2008, compared to the list that Videx put up which was dated July 2010. So I was referring to the last couple of years when I said 'recently'.
What I was saying about the use of the German system relates to modern dogs of course, those that are currently used for breeding, so anything pre scoring days or back in the early 90's is not so relevant in that context. If we take dogs say for the period 2002 to date, there are blanks by the hip score which could indicate they are not scored, or that they have been scored under the German system. If more breeders take to using the German system alone, then how can that score be verified by a puppy buyer for example? It is of course also very relevant given the number of imported dogs now in use. Is there a database for health test results on the German system that is accessible to the public?
by Videx on 27 July 2010 - 11:07
1) One is available ONLINE - this is the HD Breed Worth (ZW) for individual dogs - this information has up to a 6 month administration delay. see here: http://www.schaeferhunde.de/site/index.php?id=688
2) The second source of comprehensive information is the SV Genetic CD - a subscription service which provides a quarterly disk - which contains a considerable amount of information. This information again has up to a 6 month administration delay. see here: http://www.sv-shop.com/shop/index.php?cPath=21
3) This SV LINK may also be considered useful: http://www.sv-shop.com/shop/index.php?cPath=47
by Abby Normal on 27 July 2010 - 12:07
Perhaps it would be an idea for these links to be on the GSDL website, so that people can have some idea of where to get this information.
by Videx on 27 July 2010 - 12:07
UNDER CONSTRUCTION: http://www.videxgsd.com/sv_health_screening_links.htm
by missbeeb on 27 July 2010 - 13:07
David, thanks for the info! I don't know why some scores are missing... but there are a few. You're always very generous with information!
Your decision to refrain from further comment on this forum is a sound one; it's largely become rather silly and inconsequential, with the baiters and the hunters!
by Qabru on 28 July 2010 - 06:07
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