Kennel Club Release Yet Another Statement - Page 8

Sorry, but no way should we get involved with this person. 

Lets just go our own way - as we have been talking about for far too long.

Sally

Jemima

Please show us what you believe a GSD should look like.

There are plenty of pictures on the database and I'm pretty sure, we all wouldn't mind, seeing your 'ideal' specimen.

Go pick one and let us see where you are coming from.

Karen

We seem to have gone off in another direction with this thread it started with the KC latest statement
I was enjoying reading all the positive comments and looking forward to a positive outcome from you all with a concerted effort to get the media involved to put are case to the public

may i ask Jemima,what champ.shows she attended last year and what did she make of the cc winning animals.i attended quite a few last year.okay jemima did yu attend any of these general champ.shows.MANCHESTER,CRUFTS,WELKS,BIRMINGHAM NATIONAL,3 COUNTIES,EAST OF ENGLAND(NON CC LAST YEAR)WELSH KENNEL CLUB,SCOTTISH KC(AUG ONE)CITY OF BIRMINGHAM,SOUTHERN COUNTIES AND RICHMOND.some were judged by people who prefer the international type,some by alsatian judges and some by all rounders.if yu attended any of these shows please state which ones and you,re comments on the CCWINNING ANIMALS.what i want to establish is what yu class as an ideal backline for a gsd(a photo or drawing ,so we can see what yu think is a correct backline)please.thank yu.

may i ask Jemima,what champ.shows she attended last year and what did she make of the cc winning animals.i attended quite a few last year.okay jemima did yu attend any of these general champ.shows.MANCHESTER,CRUFTS,WELKS,BIRMINGHAM NATIONAL,3 COUNTIES,EAST OF ENGLAND(NON CC LAST YEAR)WELSH KENNEL CLUB,SCOTTISH KC(AUG ONE)CITY OF BIRMINGHAM,SOUTHERN COUNTIES AND RICHMOND.some were judged by people who prefer the international type,some by alsatian judges and some by all rounders.if yu attended any of these shows please state which ones and you,re comments on the CCWINNING ANIMALS.what i want to establish is what yu class as an ideal backline for a gsd(a photo or drawing ,so we can see what yu think is a correct backline)please.thank yu.

sorry folks ,didnt mean to post it twice.blimey Karen yu got in before me.good on ya girl.yu said wot i wanted to say in a more concise way.Carole

Bazza, I'm no fan of the alsatian, either - too heavy, too long, too low. And while I'm here, most of the American dogs at Westminster this week were also a disgrace:

http://video.usanetwork.com/features/westminster_dog_show/herding_group/v1201773

Please pause the video at 9.50 and tell me that's OK - because it really isn't.  And yet these owners/handlers/breeders will be just as adamant. You/they honestly believe you have fulfilled con Stephanitz's vision for the dog. I and many others honestly believe you haven't.

But as I said, let's try and settle this.

Here's the challenge (to all of you): find me a top-winning dog - one about which there is no argument (in your eyes) in terms of conformation/movement. Then let me film them (on whatever surface you like although would also like to do on a treadmill ) using a high-speed, hi-def camera. I'll also film a top working dog and an 'alsatian' too.  Then let's slow the footage down and compare them and ask the experts to assess the movement.

It's when you slow the footage down that you see the problems if they're there.

If you're confident your dogs are sound, then prove it.

Jemima

You either accept what Jemima Say's as a reasonable, and unemotional point of view or you don't! It's getting like politics and religion, people will never agree. Jemima says look at the facts, Missbeeb says, "there are some hocky dogs" and that judges shouldn't be putting them up, Putting 1 up gives the wrong message. Jemima mentioned Manchester and one of the worst won! Manchester show repeated it again this year. You can't stop people entering, and showing any dog, but you can stop dogs winning or being highly placed with major soundness problems. What kind of message does that send to a lay-person who is spectating at a show, who may be considering buying a shepherd. Until we get judges, to judge in a uniform and consistent way, we will always get these problems. All Champ show judges should  be breed assesses where they will hopefully be trained to be honest, and judge in a uniform way. We need to put the foundations in, before we build the walls, and put the roof on. Why are the K.C. so obsessed, and the breed doesn't see the problem with soundness in the same light. We tend to look to Germany for the future, and that things filter through to the U.K. Missbeeb, mentioned there are some hocky dogs! Fact! Last years Sieger show, 12-18 months female critiques have been translated into English, 183 in the class, over 40% over 70 females had the word COW HOCKED! now where do we go. Bill Owen. 

Jemima
Have just watched your link
I have bred and shown GSDs for over 20 years the Germanic International type.
and would be ashamed to own or breed any of the dog in that ring
# there movement and conformation was a disgrace.