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by vonissk on 20 October 2009 - 04:10
Speaking of mamory tumors--I have a girl here who is 10.5 and I had her spayed @ 6. She now has a mamory tumor that is malignant--the name of the cancer is adnocarcenoma (spelling?) --the tumor grows almost by the day. Anyway the vet told me I should have had her spayed at a young age. I told him the only reason I even got her spayed was because I got my boy and I didn't want them making puppers--among other things she has an iffy hip. I'm glad I did but I also wonder if I caused it. Dogdom sure is hard sometimes.
by vhsdogs on 21 October 2009 - 21:10
I had a top female imported , tried to breed her twice before a vet finally diagnosed pyometra, we tried treating her before spaying to get her healthy before the surgery. She died 1 week after emergency surgery from complicatins and emuns system being so low. That was almost 3 years ago and I still question myself to this day " what if I had done the surgery sooner?". No expert on it , just my own experience.
JIM
p.s.
for a few weeks looked as if meds were helping
by KathyMo on 22 October 2009 - 03:10
Eleven years ago I bred my very nice SchH3 girl and about four weeks later I noticed she was "off". It progressed fairly quickly to the point that she wouldn't eat, which was a very a bad sign for this girl as she usually had over the top food drive. My regular vet didn't recognize what it was, but Tracy Bullinger guided me over the phone and suggested that I put her on Clavamox I believe it was. She said it wouldn't hurt the pups, if there were any, and it might help the bitch. We did that, but that same night she went down fast and had a horrible red discharge (much like tomato soup). We rushed her to the ER vet, where they monitored her and gave her fluids. They were the ones who diagnosed Pyometra. The next morning I transferred her to a Repro specialist who told me that the Clavamox saved my girl's life! We opted to do the "clean out" which cost a LOT of money ($4000 back then!) but she was such a nice girl that it seemed worth it to us. It was.
My repro specialist said in the perfect dog breeding world we would breed our bitches young and back to back to back and then spay them. This would prevent them from getting pyo. We discussed how that is just not possible given our requirements for breeding (titles and breed survey). He agreed it wasn't very realistic in the end.
We had to do the clean out twice (one week of treatment, one week off, then another week of treatment) and I swore then that I wouldn't ever put another bitch through it. It was terribly hard on her. In the future if faced with the same decision I will likely spay the bitch.
We bred her on her next heat and she got pregnant!!! Eleven pups (nine living) were born and I named the bitch pup that I kept A-Milagro (miracle in Spanish) since it truly was a miracle that she was able to conceive and carry the pups to term. A year and a half later we had another litter as well. After that I spayed her.
The bitch I'm talking about is Rhena v.h. Antverpa and she just turned 16 years old two days ago and is still healthy and able to get around just fine. :)
by joeleb on 25 October 2009 - 20:10
by outridinsolo on 27 October 2009 - 17:10
Wow! 16 years old, that is awesome, to what do you attribute her longevitiy?
by KathyMo on 30 October 2009 - 22:10
Honestly, I think that mostly I can attribute her longevity to good genetics. I've also joked that it could also be her food drive. When she's eating breakfast, she's thinking about dinner and when she's eating dinner, she's thinking about breakfast. She's always stayed in awesome condition, I haven't ever babied her, except to occasionally try to help her up when she lays down on the tile floor. I insist that she get out and walk around a little bit each day, several times a day. Moving around is good for us and it's good for her. :)
Here is her pedigree if you are interested
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/400032.html
KathyMo
by nanu on 01 November 2009 - 11:11
I'm glad to see people using Reproductive specialists here unless you are comfortable with your vet knowing these problems (Like the old farm vets!) In Ohio we have Walter Threlfall at OSU and Hutchinson in the Cleveland area.
The "cleanout" is the use of Lutalyse and generally administered by your vet for one or several of the first doses because the rapid rise in heart rate and stress it causes the dog. The Lutalyse brings the dog into the pre-estrus to slough the uterus. And so, clean out. One must follow the full course here and often it involves two full courses of treatment. Same thing is done with livestock and it does work well much of the time caught reasonably and the person monitoring the dog is diligent about any changes or lack of progress in the dog.
BTW, when your veterinarian gives you (if you can give injections) Lutalyse, remember not to let it get on your skin ladies. Wear gloves. It will cause you to do the same thing as your dog! yes, heat cycle! Not a problem for the guys but you might get a little moody. (ok, this was meant to be funny)
I really appreciate the original poster getting their reproductive education before they breed. Several of the veterinary schools have seminars for dog breeders. Check out what's in your area.
good luck
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
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