Working Stud dogs - Page 7

Yes Brit, actually my first love was the sable. But then I bought one and never got to compete because the hips were really bad. We knew before he was a year old that we had problems. Then I bought another one and his hips were really bad and his ears did not go up and never got to compete with him either. But we trained at every seminar offered. Then I bought a really nice dog and her hips were great but she blew her knee out before being able to title. And I was very lucky that all of them were nice dogs regardless of their inability to do schutzhund. Molly, Chuck and Hexe, There is nothing that I need to say about the dog that you don't already know. He is a nice working dog. My suggestion is that before your little tag team pose' tries to promote your dog on a web for free make sure that you have not opened the "pandora's box" of "free" response. Good luck to all of you in your ventures. Kathy PS. Good choice Hexe as I am working on being able to track identities by your modem just as the green board does. Technology is wonderful.

WOW! this is getting to be more of my D*%ks Bigger than your D*%K. I have competed in 60+ SchH trials, earned 40 SchH titles with 21 different dogs and I don't mean AD's, titled 4 dogs from puppy to SchH3 including 4 FH's and 3 FH2's. AND? It does not make me any better or worse than the next person out there. I'm just happy to do what I did with what I had and most of the time I didn't have a Top dog. Yet everytime I see these people (CHUD) bashing someones work, dog, or accomplishments it's always from someone that never did anything themselves. Maybe ran around a ring or rode a bike for 12 miles with a dog, but like you say that don't count. Someone that one day lifted the manhole cover and climbed out and appeared out of obscurity, imported some dogs and all of the sudden they are God's gift to SchH, bashing everyone else. I don't know Molly on a personal basis, but to bash her dog like that ...come on. Eagle has more than proven himself. Whether you like the owner or not the dog has made SG TWICE at Sieger Show...for a Sable working dog, as well as many National level trial's .... com'n give some props here. And Kurky. I don't know this dog and never seen him before, but to make National level trials ..no easy task...again give some credit. I applaud anyone that goes out and puts in the time and effort that's involved with training/titling their dog, and I don't mean ride a bike with him. If we are going to make comments on (The original subject) "working stud dogs" then lets at least have enough knowledge to explain your reason why you may see a fault in that particular dog. Uwe p.s. CHUD=Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers

Well Uwe, I did not give any reference to the dog but to the poor choice of how the owner and her friends tried to market the dog. If I am forced to give an opinion on the dog (and I suspect that you are another one of the pose' and may I refer to you as a HEMI (Hemorrhoid )? Do I need to define? The dog is structurally incorrect. The one thing that I can say here after reading your post is that I PAY for my dogs training and I PAY for my dogs to compete. When a show dog goes International the owner pays for the fees. I would like to suggest that anyone wanting to compete with a dog (whether it be show or working, whether it be local, National or World) that they pay for their dog to compete unless a percentage of profits on their accredation is given back to the organization. I don't believe that I should donate to pay for Molly to compete with her dog. If her dog is that good and she is going to promote her dog for the accomplishment of the competition, then she should pay to get there.

The dog is structurally incorrect. and you are an SV Koermeister or judge I assume???? No? I didn't think so. All of his conformation ratings have been SG1 and V - (yes, that is excellent) under SV conformation judges - several different ones. He NEVER went G. He was KKl-1 the first breed survey, KKl-1 for life the second. Structurally incorrect? If that means, he won't go VA - thank god he is structurally incorrect in that case. To me, structurally correct means he is correct to the standard - something more than a few SV conformation judges have agreed with - and the fact that he is working sound at Schh3 National level at 8 years old, is also a testimony to his structural correctness. "I don't believe that I should donate to pay for Molly to compete with her dog. If her dog is that good and she is going to promote her dog for the accomplishment of the competition, then she should pay to get there." excuse me??????????

Hey, you and your friends forced me to make a public opinion. And I will not donate to the USA team and will suggest that no members I know donate to the USCA team unless I see a line item that says USCA gets a % of marketing profit from what you may earn as a result of your dog's competition. Otherwise Pay yourself.

Eagle and I are not on the USA world team. We were on the 2004 FCI World Team, which was not supported or financed by anyone other than each team member on our own - the end bill was $3000 total, out of my pocket. If there has ever been one trial I've competed in that was not paid for by myself, I don't know about it. I've paid my dues, paid for entry fees, paid for my dog's care, raised and trained him myself - so don't complain to me about not "paying for myself". molly

Molly, congrats to you and Eagle for your hard work in the HOT championship. Pulling for that sable guy to be THE SEIGER. I understand that it was good weekend for another Eichenluft dog as well. Not sure but isn't Hawk one of yours? Too cool. Lorri

Hawk v Eichenluft is 2006 National Obedience Trial Champion. He and his handler/owner/trainer Kandi are an excellent team and they did a super job. molly

This must be the biggest conspiracy since JFK was shot. NOT…. Kathy, I hate to disappoint you, but there is no posse, no gang out to force you to do anything. You were asked to explain your snide remark, several people have told you that you are out of line. We pay our dues and our entry fees and every other cost and all it gives us is the right to step on the field and demonstrate what we can do as a team and attempt to earn a passing score. At club trials, regionals, national events, we pay our own way. Molly and Eagle have not been on any USA sponsored team, so vent your frustration somewhere else. It’s obvious that you have never handled a dog for a SchH title. Until you do, don’t pass judgment on those of us who have.

"I would like to suggest that anyone wanting to compete with a dog (whether it be show or working, whether it be local, National or World) that they pay for their dog to compete unless a percentage of profits on their accredation is given back to the organization." Anyone who competes pays. Unless they are handling the dog for the owner, who then pays. Not sure where you would think that someone was already paying for that. If so, send them our way!!!!!! Even if there are donations, the cost for WUSV(especially this year in Denmark)and FCI is high and paid 1st by the competitor, who then submits an expense report. Donations make a dent, but not much. Airfare, cost of flying the dog is high. Hotel, GAS,car rental, GAS, food, GAS, you get the point.....