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by mikey57 on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Penny,
I forgot to say, its amazing what £1000 can buy you when you send dogs to Germany for titles isn't it!
I'm not a loser. At the end of the day the dogs are. That is such a shame.
Again, am I right or wrong on my stated FACTS?
Shirley,
I agree with you. Which is the reason I applaud Penny for bringing the first UK Koerung together! But not at the cost of false titles.
Regards,
Mike.
by hutch on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Mikey,
Your accusations are getting out of order.
Are you suggesting that the dogs in the Koerung had purchased titles? Can you prove that?
If you are not happy with the way in which things were conducted then perhaps you should do as was suggested earlier and contact the judge or the SV.
Shirley
Your accusations are getting out of order.
Are you suggesting that the dogs in the Koerung had purchased titles? Can you prove that?
If you are not happy with the way in which things were conducted then perhaps you should do as was suggested earlier and contact the judge or the SV.
Shirley
by missbeeb on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
... and the show folk get all the blame for creating divisions! 
by reason on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Well i was not there so did not see but i do know the German system the fundemental part being the judges decision is FINAL i am sure you can complain to the SV all you want but the reality is
There were 2 high profile sv officials THEY gave the qualification END OF STORY
AND Mike before you start saying who should hav and have not past what is your SV jUDGES reference number
There were 2 high profile sv officials THEY gave the qualification END OF STORY
AND Mike before you start saying who should hav and have not past what is your SV jUDGES reference number
by mikey57 on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Shirley,
I did not make any accusations of the sort. I do not need to prove anything.
Facts are the dogs entered had minimum of SCH1 title, but needed a soft puppy sleeve to complete the bitework. Whether that was the organisers choice or not, it is simply wrong and not in compliance with correct procedures.
And still my question remains unanswered;
A SOFT PUPPY SLEEVE WAS USED FOR THE BITEWORK (although this didn't appear to be the case for the VPG dogs)
A STEEL TAPE MEASURE WAS USED TO MEASURE DOGS GIVING AN INACCURATE READINGS.
UNEVEN GROUND WAS USED TO MEASURE THE DOGS GIVING INACCURATE READINGS.
ALL DOGS UNDER THE GUN TEST SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED FOR THEIR REACTIONS TO IT.
Am I right or wrong on these points? Would this have been allowed if it was an event being held in Germany?
Regards,
Mike.
I did not make any accusations of the sort. I do not need to prove anything.
Facts are the dogs entered had minimum of SCH1 title, but needed a soft puppy sleeve to complete the bitework. Whether that was the organisers choice or not, it is simply wrong and not in compliance with correct procedures.
And still my question remains unanswered;
A SOFT PUPPY SLEEVE WAS USED FOR THE BITEWORK (although this didn't appear to be the case for the VPG dogs)
A STEEL TAPE MEASURE WAS USED TO MEASURE DOGS GIVING AN INACCURATE READINGS.
UNEVEN GROUND WAS USED TO MEASURE THE DOGS GIVING INACCURATE READINGS.
ALL DOGS UNDER THE GUN TEST SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISQUALIFIED FOR THEIR REACTIONS TO IT.
Am I right or wrong on these points? Would this have been allowed if it was an event being held in Germany?
Regards,
Mike.
by Penny on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Mikey states:
I agree with you. Which is the reason I applaud Penny for bringing the first UK Koerung together! But not at the cost of false titles.
This was a joint venture and I had lots of help, no one person could have done that. I now see why the first two people that set out to do it didnt bother though, but for all others reading this thread, I can assure you that there cant be many like Mikey around, so dont let it put you off, even if you get something going wrong on the day, and each Koerung will get better and better.
£1,000 to send to Germany Mike? you are showing your age now, or you never sent a dog. Mo.
- I am appalled that you have demoted this thread to the depths that you have, and if you care to be man enough to pm me with your REAL details -I will guarantee to keep them totally to myself, bear no grudges, and I will personally see that you have a little few days at the wonderful establishment that Dessie and Dayna went to. Hows that for free....might teach you something about manners, dogs, personal feelings, organising events, integrity, well the lot really. Mo.
I agree with you. Which is the reason I applaud Penny for bringing the first UK Koerung together! But not at the cost of false titles.
This was a joint venture and I had lots of help, no one person could have done that. I now see why the first two people that set out to do it didnt bother though, but for all others reading this thread, I can assure you that there cant be many like Mikey around, so dont let it put you off, even if you get something going wrong on the day, and each Koerung will get better and better.
£1,000 to send to Germany Mike? you are showing your age now, or you never sent a dog. Mo.
- I am appalled that you have demoted this thread to the depths that you have, and if you care to be man enough to pm me with your REAL details -I will guarantee to keep them totally to myself, bear no grudges, and I will personally see that you have a little few days at the wonderful establishment that Dessie and Dayna went to. Hows that for free....might teach you something about manners, dogs, personal feelings, organising events, integrity, well the lot really. Mo.
by mikey57 on 05 April 2010 - 20:04
Yet again........
Am I right or wrong in the points I made?
Also would this be permitted in Germany?
Regards,
Mike.
Am I right or wrong in the points I made?
Also would this be permitted in Germany?
Regards,
Mike.
by Penny on 05 April 2010 - 21:04
Yet again........
Am I right or wrong in the points I made?
Very Wrong - you made yourself wrong - read your assumptions with your valid points.
Also would this be permitted in Germany? Havent been to a Koerung in Germany
Are you now going to furnish your details ready for your holiday,? I promise you will be brought back, you are obviously needed as the Agitator for all other new Events Mo
by mikey57 on 05 April 2010 - 21:04
So I am wrong in that I state a SOFT PUPPY SLEEVE was used in the bitework for the 3 dogs that had already obtained a minimum of SCH1 title?
Am I wrong that a rigid steel tape measure was used?
Am I also wrong that dogs were measured on uneven ground?
I don't think I am! I would just like someone from the organising team to clarify!
You see this as an attack on your own dogs. Why is that?
Thanks for the offer too Penny, but I am already committed this year to shows with my own dogs, so don't have a lot of free time.
Regards,
Mike.
Am I wrong that a rigid steel tape measure was used?
Am I also wrong that dogs were measured on uneven ground?
I don't think I am! I would just like someone from the organising team to clarify!
You see this as an attack on your own dogs. Why is that?
Thanks for the offer too Penny, but I am already committed this year to shows with my own dogs, so don't have a lot of free time.
Regards,
Mike.
by Penny on 05 April 2010 - 21:04
Mikey - to answer you is as follows: But you REALLY dont read the messages slowly and properly do you !!!
So I am wrong in that I state a SOFT PUPPY SLEEVE was used in the bitework for the 3 dogs that had already obtained a minimum of SCH1 title? Havent spoken to helper yet but assume not - BUT IT WAS NOT NEEDED AS YOU STATE
Am I wrong that a rigid steel tape measure was used? NO BUT IT DID NOT PRODUCE INNACCURATE MEASUREMENTS WHICH IS WHAT YOU STATED
Am I also wrong that dogs were measured on uneven ground? NORMAL GROUND - WOODEN WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER BUT PROVEN ACCURATE MEASURMENTS NOT AS YOU STATED
I don't think I am! I would just like someone from the organising team to clarify!
You see this as an attack on your own dogs. Why is that? Read YOUR ABOVE POSTS YOU MIGHT FIGURE THAT ONE OUT !
Thanks for the offer too Penny, but I am already committed this year to shows with my own dogs, so don't have a lot of free time. I`ll bet. Mo.
Regards,
To all thread readers - Mikey now is justs wasting time, and repeating himself - - bet you have all been saying that under your breath to me by now havnt you....
So I am wrong in that I state a SOFT PUPPY SLEEVE was used in the bitework for the 3 dogs that had already obtained a minimum of SCH1 title? Havent spoken to helper yet but assume not - BUT IT WAS NOT NEEDED AS YOU STATE
Am I wrong that a rigid steel tape measure was used? NO BUT IT DID NOT PRODUCE INNACCURATE MEASUREMENTS WHICH IS WHAT YOU STATED
Am I also wrong that dogs were measured on uneven ground? NORMAL GROUND - WOODEN WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER BUT PROVEN ACCURATE MEASURMENTS NOT AS YOU STATED
I don't think I am! I would just like someone from the organising team to clarify!
You see this as an attack on your own dogs. Why is that? Read YOUR ABOVE POSTS YOU MIGHT FIGURE THAT ONE OUT !
Thanks for the offer too Penny, but I am already committed this year to shows with my own dogs, so don't have a lot of free time. I`ll bet. Mo.
Regards,
To all thread readers - Mikey now is justs wasting time, and repeating himself - - bet you have all been saying that under your breath to me by now havnt you....
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