VA kkl2? - Page 2

The dog in question was previously KKL1 and passed the courage test at this year's Sieger Show with Pronounced and Lets Out. The dog was also VA twice before and passed the courage tests with Pronounced and Lets out on both occasions. This dog does not have weak nerves or suffer from a lack of courage. I do not know what occured in Chicago to merit her KKL2 but would guess that it has more to do with her being a bitch and possibly coming into season then her true character. Has the dog been resurveyed since Chicago? Was the breed survey thrown out? Has the breed survey been officially recorded? I am under the opinion that there is a clear explanation about what happened and will wait to find out what it is BEFORE I point fingers at judges, owners and organizations! Just my 2 cents worth!

I saw a few fail the bitework at this year's NASS and, frankly, I felt a lot of sympathy for the owner/handler. I odubt anyone would take any dog into the arena knowing it was going to fail. Seems to me it could happen to many dogs if they were not up to speed for some reason. I happened to see this particular bitch do her bitework this year, and while I am certainly not an expert on bitework, I can see well enough to know that she looked as good as any of the others, better in fact than some that also received a "pronounced". I agree with Grimster, she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

this is what i understand of the rules in regard to VA and KKL2 issue: if the female in question received a KKL2 recently, and if this happened while she already had a valid KKL1 that means her original breed survey isnt expired yet, so her KKl1 would be valid for the NASS of this year and her VA is good. Upon the expiration of her first breed survey then her KKL2 will go into effect and she will not be able to get VA ratings until the expiration of the KKL2 which is one year from receiving it. Bottom line, The KKL2 does not go in effect until the expiration date of her original breed survey. so if she had her Original Breed Survey of KKL1 Nov 24 2003 and got a KKL2 in June of 2005, then the VA is good she doesnt start her KKL2 until Nov 23 2005 etc... she cant get VA from Nov 24 2005 til Nov 23 2006 etc... Regards, Dawnmarie

Those dates are just GUESSING..just using those dates as examples to help explain

Good post grimster1970. Totally agree with you.

Greetings from the 2005 NASS Show Director! I am more than happy to clarify WUSV rules concerning Breed Survey Status vis-a-vis VA status. All too many people are ready to condemn a dog without fully understanding how the WUSV rules apply (not to ention the particular stresses show females bear). Here is the OFFICIAL AND FINAL WORD REGARDING VA-3, OLLY v. MITTELWEST, highest rated AMERCIAN BRED FEMALE at the 2005 North American Sieger Show. Any dog presenting for Breed Survey qualification (be it, USCA, WDA or SV) will receive an evaluation valid for a two year period. This two year period expires on December 31st of any given calendar year. The dog in question at the 2005 NASS has, in fact, a VALID KKL 1 BREED SURVEY until DECEMBER 31, 2005. Olly v. Mittlewest clearly meets all applicable requirements for VA status in the year 2005--as well as garnering the #1 American Bred Female Working Class dog in the USA honors. Everyone should concentrate on congratulating the Breeder and the individual dog for this prestigious honor!!! Anyone who owns, trains, and/or trials breeding females should have considerable empathy for the stresses placed upon our breeding females. (Not to mention their human female counterparts...) S..t can happen at any time to any dog. Our dogs are not machines. They are living, sensitive creatures who echo all of the stresses their human keepers bear. Any Breed Survey report becomes effective on January 1 of the following year--not the instant that the breed survey is conducted. So, in this particular case, Olly v. Mittlewest is Breed Surveyed Class 1 until December 31, 2005. She is fully eligible for 2005 VA status - not to mention the #1 rated female bred in America! Whatever stresses may have been applicable for Olly's Lbz Breed Survey attempt are unknown to me. I only know that nothing is a foregone conclusion with our dogs. People train as properly as possible. And then a female may have a "bad hormone" day and not be 100% up-to-snuff. Let those of us human beings who have achieved total performance perfection then please stand up to condemn everyone else. Otherwise, please acknowledge that it is possible to present a less-than perfect presentation on any given day. This philosophical position requires that our members/participants be capable of empathetic discretion towards our animals. For those who have absolute, unbending standards towards our animals, please let them consider how those same standards might apply towards the human counterparts to the dogs. Olly v. Mittelwest did have a less than perfect attempt at Life-time Breed Survey. Beginning January 1, 2006, Olly will be ranked KKl2, and therefore not eligible for VA status in the year 2006. Olly may, however, re-do her breed survey anytime during the calendar year 2006, for a Breed Survey Improvement rating. Presuming that she presents as "Pronounced, Let's out,", then Olly will have achieved Breed Survey class 1 for Lifetime, effective January 1, 2007. Until the nay-sayers have walked in the same shoes as Olly's owners, trainers, and handlers, please let them contain their remarks, lest, "Everything that goes around, comes around." Absolutely no rules have been "finessed" vis-a-vis Olly v Mittlewest. She has earned her due. It is more than time to stop the coffee-clatching and to support, with enthusiasm, the accomplishments of Mittelwest Kennels (Julie Martinez, breeder) and of Madame Olly v. Mittelwest- Our Highest Ranking American Bred Female! Gayle Kirkwood NASS Show Chairperson WDA Board of Directors Long-time USCA winner of Breeder's Awards

Thank you Gayle for clarifying the situation with Olly. She is a lovely female and I have no doubt that she will redeem herself and receive the KKL1 lbz she deserves. I join you in celebrating the accomplishments of Mittelwest Kennel. They are truly a class act.

My congratulations to Mittelwest. Thank you, Gayle, for the clarification. I was under the mistaken impression that Olly was Kkl2 for 2005. You are also right, Gayle, when you say that any dog may "present a less-than perfect presentation on any given day" and get the Kkl2 classification. No dog (or person!) is 100% perfect every minute of every day. I have no negative feelings toward Mittelwest or their dogs (clearly, I agree that the kennel produces some EXCELLENT dogs!), I just thought that it was odd that a Kkl2 classified dog was given a VA rating. I have removed the proverbial foot from mouth. :)

Hi Felsenhof! Proverbial foot from mouth removal is happily and graciously received! Thank you very much for accepting clarification of a sensitive subject. Gayle Kirkwood