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by Wildmoor on 22 December 2011 - 00:12
bencarja I have told you I have not looked at the links posted and I have asked you once who you are but you declined to reply - you can take what I have posted to a solicitor that is fine I have not posted anything slanderous - when i joined this thread you had already mentioned you had spirit in your lines
I am still waiting for you to state your name, please dont forget to pass on the info re the epilepsy to your vet!
by Konotashi on 22 December 2011 - 01:12
Why do you feel the need to rip on people based on your imaginary facts? Because you know they're right and you're a BYB?
You're being 'attacked' (or whatever you want to call it) because everyone here is passionate about the GSD. You are breeding epileptic prone, non hip-scored, non-titled, not-to-standard GSDs, which is everything that is ruining this breed.
You're being 'attacked' (or whatever you want to call it) because everyone here is passionate about the GSD. You are breeding epileptic prone, non hip-scored, non-titled, not-to-standard GSDs, which is everything that is ruining this breed.
by Abby Normal on 22 December 2011 - 13:12
you shouldnt wish illness on any being abby normal that is quite sic
The irony of this statement really has escaped you entirely hasn't it? Incredible.......
BTW read it again: I really don't wish this on anyone, but if I did .......
Now I completely understand why you do what you do and why you will always be what you are. You have absolutely no grasp of the situation nor any understanding of what is being said to you, and absolutely no desire to take responsibility. What I do wish on you is that when your lack of health testing/ignoring what you should know about pedigrees and health catches up with you (and it will), the people who are on the receiving end have enough savvy, or find this forum, and take you to court. Changes to the law are making this much easier now - this is the only way forward for the future, where you have someone so clearly ignorant about dog breeding and so unwilling to learn and change. You don't care about dogs - you just wouldn't risk this or not health test your breeding animals if you did - it's a contradiction in terms!
The irony of this statement really has escaped you entirely hasn't it? Incredible.......
BTW read it again: I really don't wish this on anyone, but if I did .......
Now I completely understand why you do what you do and why you will always be what you are. You have absolutely no grasp of the situation nor any understanding of what is being said to you, and absolutely no desire to take responsibility. What I do wish on you is that when your lack of health testing/ignoring what you should know about pedigrees and health catches up with you (and it will), the people who are on the receiving end have enough savvy, or find this forum, and take you to court. Changes to the law are making this much easier now - this is the only way forward for the future, where you have someone so clearly ignorant about dog breeding and so unwilling to learn and change. You don't care about dogs - you just wouldn't risk this or not health test your breeding animals if you did - it's a contradiction in terms!
by ducktoller on 24 December 2011 - 22:12
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by hexe on 25 December 2011 - 05:12
"my vet says there is no scientific proof of epilepsy being genetic its individually diagnosed!!!"
Interesting. Could you be so helpful as to have that put in writing, on the vet's letterhead, and post a copy of it here, so we can all benefit from this groundbreaking declaration? Breeders world-wide have been awaiting such a discovery, so it would be selfish of you not to share.
No? I didn't think you could, because no ethical veterinarian in the world is going to go on record as having told you that idiopathic epilepsy is not a heritable condition, and that it is perfectly OK to use breeding stock wherein a sibling of the animal was documented with the condition--and they're also not going to say that it's OK to double-up on affected lines within a pedigree, either...unless you were hoping to produce epileptic dogs for research study purposes.
This discussion is about IDIOPATHIC epilepsy, not epilepsy which occurs secondary to an infection or illness that has caused neurologic damage. Just because science hasn't yet been able to identify the exact mode of inheritance does not mean a medical condition is not hereditary.
"and you call yourself pet people. this is not how the thread started out"
Noooo, YOU apparently call yourself 'pet people'; I believe the rest of the people who have participated in this thread would consider themselves to be either breeders or dog owners who care enough about both the breed and OTHER people's beloved pets to not consider breeding dogs known to carry idiopathic epilepsy in their lineage, so the condition becomes less prevalent within the breed and fewer people experience the sorrow that Megan's owners, and countless others like him, have lived through and will never fully get beyond in their hearts.
And this thread started out with someone questioning the phenotype of your male, because whether you like it or not, and whether he's aesthetically pretty or not, the fact is that his coat color is washed out by the breed standard requirements, and he has little in the way the desired pattern marking to the body--in other words, this is NOT what anyone would expect to find being promoted as a stud dog. It's foolish to try to deny that there is a pet-buying public that finds the 'off' colors that can occur in the GSD to be attractive, and if you were performing your due diligence as a breeder and ensuring that no animals were bred without (a) reaching full maturity, (b) having all health clearances as are appropriate for the breed, and (c) were not using breeding stock that you KNEW was carrying idiopathic epilepsy in the lines, I personally wouldn't give a rip if you bred blue, liver, pink or chartreuse GSDs--but you do none of those things, it appears. I'm just glad you're in the UK and not the US...we've got enough of your fraternity here already, thank you.
Interesting. Could you be so helpful as to have that put in writing, on the vet's letterhead, and post a copy of it here, so we can all benefit from this groundbreaking declaration? Breeders world-wide have been awaiting such a discovery, so it would be selfish of you not to share.
No? I didn't think you could, because no ethical veterinarian in the world is going to go on record as having told you that idiopathic epilepsy is not a heritable condition, and that it is perfectly OK to use breeding stock wherein a sibling of the animal was documented with the condition--and they're also not going to say that it's OK to double-up on affected lines within a pedigree, either...unless you were hoping to produce epileptic dogs for research study purposes.
This discussion is about IDIOPATHIC epilepsy, not epilepsy which occurs secondary to an infection or illness that has caused neurologic damage. Just because science hasn't yet been able to identify the exact mode of inheritance does not mean a medical condition is not hereditary.
"and you call yourself pet people. this is not how the thread started out"
Noooo, YOU apparently call yourself 'pet people'; I believe the rest of the people who have participated in this thread would consider themselves to be either breeders or dog owners who care enough about both the breed and OTHER people's beloved pets to not consider breeding dogs known to carry idiopathic epilepsy in their lineage, so the condition becomes less prevalent within the breed and fewer people experience the sorrow that Megan's owners, and countless others like him, have lived through and will never fully get beyond in their hearts.
And this thread started out with someone questioning the phenotype of your male, because whether you like it or not, and whether he's aesthetically pretty or not, the fact is that his coat color is washed out by the breed standard requirements, and he has little in the way the desired pattern marking to the body--in other words, this is NOT what anyone would expect to find being promoted as a stud dog. It's foolish to try to deny that there is a pet-buying public that finds the 'off' colors that can occur in the GSD to be attractive, and if you were performing your due diligence as a breeder and ensuring that no animals were bred without (a) reaching full maturity, (b) having all health clearances as are appropriate for the breed, and (c) were not using breeding stock that you KNEW was carrying idiopathic epilepsy in the lines, I personally wouldn't give a rip if you bred blue, liver, pink or chartreuse GSDs--but you do none of those things, it appears. I'm just glad you're in the UK and not the US...we've got enough of your fraternity here already, thank you.
by noddi on 25 December 2011 - 11:12
well said Hexe.Here in the uk many breeders are sweeping these diseases under the carpet instead of being honest n admitting they,ve had a problem in a particular litter.This applies to some experienced show breeders as well as BYB.My 9 yr.old bitch has just been diagnosed with Anal Furunculosis/Perianal Fistula.See my thread on this board/page.One of the things my vet said that this is an inherited condition n had i bred or was i intend breeding her????Wot at 9 yrs.....Yu got a be joking n no she,s never been bred even tho.she has won well at championship shows.I had another litter many yrs ago where 2 females had epileptic fits,1 aged 3 n the other over7 n a male with EPI at nearly 7.The 2 older siblings i presume could be cancer due to age n indeed the 3 yr.old case was eventually classed as cancer related tho.in 1st instance was diagnosed as idiopathic epilepsy.Luckily none had been mated n never were.Now,is there are a common denominator....YES, both dams had been mated to different males from one kennel,similar bitch lines.I have informed the owner of a litter sister of this bitch,s dam as a male is being used at stud by several exhibitors as a few of his progeny are doing well in the show ring here in the uk.Whether this info.is passed on i dont know but i,ve done all i can.I,m gonna have a 2nd.vets opinion but a friend with a bitch with AF.has had a look at my bitch n confirmed its AF.Carole S.
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