Serious hard GSD - Page 9

i don't think anyone of you Are actually laughing , it is what it is though

This is one of the most usefles threads I have read. I have learned that hard dogs are dangerous and hard to handle and that hard dogs are Gangster dogs and they are rare.
I totally disagree with every one of those notions.
First of all what is hard dog. Hard dog (if we talk about protection) is a dog which will not give up under severe pressure where less hard dogs would give up. It has nothing to do with increased aggression or dominance. It has all to do with good old fashion natural protectiveness of the territory and pack members (you) .
Such dogs are not dangerous any more then any other dog if trained properly. properly means positive and negative approach and use of all 4 pillars of the training. Positive and negative reinforcement and positive and negative punishment. Also such dogs are not harder to handle then any other dog if the relationship with their handler and training is correct.
Gangster dogs are hard but not all hard dogs are gangster dogs. Hard dog can be gentle and sociable and solid and usually just as safe then dog who is soft - which is opposite of hard. Remember hard dog is a dog which will not fold it under pressure. Hard dogs are not rare. I have them, Jaoan has them, Jinopo has them, duke has them, they are all over the place. Just vote with your dollar and do not buy crap and then train your dog and be good dog owner. That is the only thing which will save the breed.
Prager Hans

Shawnicus,

What you are saying is not a revelation. When one hears something over and over again as if each retelling is what gives something legitimacy, the laughter becomes mirthful. I can't say more because only one opinion is being allowed and it isn't mine.

FWIW, I had a serious, hard, 'civil' dog when I was a teenager.
I actually did not realise this until the day he proved himself.
Tich was a yard-dog, he guarded a business premises. He
was a beautiful GSD, the one respect in which he would have
failed the Breed Standard was his size, he was way too big.
He was "back-yard bred" by people who had another business
premises a couple of streets away. He didn't have Papers, I
doubt if they had ever Registered him with the Kennel Club.
He was never trained to do bitework, either as PPD or sport.
He lived & died in the 1960s.

Tich was one of the most laid-back, quiet, unvicious & well-
behaved Shepherds you could ever meet. Until the day a
certain young man aimed half a brick at him.

We were on the street. Tich had "his" kids (me & a younger girl),
and a bitch who was the 'love of his life' with him; and here we were,
being physically threatened (for no good reason other than the boy
was showing off to his mates, being the "big man".)

So he calmly rose on his back feet and bit the lad in the face. I think
he may have been aiming at the throat. Whatever - it wasn't pleasant,
and required a 3 day stay in hospital to have his nose re-set.

What price a padded sleeve, or a naked arm / leg ? This dog didn't
do it until he meant it. He never did it again. But he wasn't aiming
at the places taught to biting dogs.

From what I've seen, tested and used in my breeding programme I can say these dogs are really hard but not easy:
Quando vom Haus van Hipp
Henk von Gut Korten
Gary vom Weinberblick

Shawn I, did you ever get your ten month old pup to pay attention to you when he's off lead?
If so, how were you able to get his focus from environment to you?
Thanks.

From what I understand Canisa Bismack is former Romanian Military personnel with links to the military breeding program. During communism Romania tried to set up a program like the Czech ZPS and they had some level of collaboration from the Czech breeding program.

And?....you have some sort of conclusion that results from your statement?

Many people I know like their dogs. A friend of mine is selling a 1 yr old Marco daughter

LOL, for lots of money... I hope!