Czech breeders - Page 9

Training and good environment can only mask ''weak nerves'',yes,with good training and good environment a weak nerved dog can look good BUT when stress and pressure comes in,then the true colors of the dog will show.

Some showlines here when being surveyed looks fantastic when doing bitework but when given little pressure most will bail out. 

Strong Nerves are born with the pup,no trainer can install strong nerves just by training and good environment.

It's either they have it or not. 

Lol

what is definition of czech breeder, for most it will be a breeder who lives in czech and breeds dogs with wanted names on pedigree and heavy boned, bigheaded  dark sable dogs

czech dogs for me mean  something different

some more youngsters  at 6 and 7 months

Well, of course we know strong nerves are either there, or there not, and of course rin, we are fully aware of the showline BS that never ends,

    My only point was, who knows what has been taught to this dog in the video...it's just very unfair to put a label on a dog by seeing a three minute video...

    And a rotten owner can turn a good dog bad.

I sent a perfectly wonderful pup with a woman awhile back, that was part of the deal when I got a female from her. The pup left here full of confidence, not afraid of nothing.

    Within a month, she calls me and asks whats up with the pup, he was peeing all over everytime her husband came into the room (thank God, she rehomed him).

    Everytime I spoke on the phone with her, I cringed when I heard her  husband in the background.  He did nothing but scream and holler, break shit all through their house. She ended up leaving him, or vice versa,  she ended up in psych ward for a time, so yes, a bad person can make or break a good dog.

Guddu, the dog doesn´t look "great" in the second video, too. Normal dog, "beginners class".
Not the drive I want to see in a young dog, but at least in the sequences we are able to see the handling doesn´t look "professional" either.
I´d like to know what happened between 2012 and 2014.
Looks like they didn´t train for almost two years, but why should a breeder do nothing with a dog for almost 2 years, during the most important time for a pup?

"Cool" helperwork, Duke ...

Duke,

Nice pups.... What the pedigree on them.. Is the first video the male and the second a female?

I think my own litter mate is much stronger, though its hard to say considering that its a pet and has had no training. I suspect with enough pressure it can be made to run. Though in the yard it struts like a peacock scaring away deer and is very territorial and watchful of people passing by. I would be happy to get it tested, live in NJ...if anyone is willing to help with that.

I have a showline that was treated as a pet (basic obedience, tracking) for the first 3 years of her life. Then, I trained her as my hearing ear service dog. We recently started bitework. At first her behaviour was somewhat similar to the black dog in that first video (though the hair on her neck never came up due to anxiety.)  She would approach the decoy, barking, then turn back to me for reassurance. The decoy did a lot of escape bites with her to build her confidence, and teach her it was okay to chase after him and bite.  After the first couple of sessions, she started to 'get' it. It was like a switch flipped, and she suddenly 'turned on' those protection genes! Everyone was amazed at the change.

She will never have the confidence and drive of a working line dog, though, and we're still in the discovery phase of finding out how much pressure she can handle. She did back off the first time she got a good solid stick hit. Last session, the decoy was teasing her by swatting her feet with the whip. She didn't much like it, and would back off a bit, but it also seemed to make her mad/frustrated.

Time will tell how far I can take her. She's half ASL (Dallas) and half German (Ursus). At first our training director thought she was too soft to do bitework. Then, she started biting him on the hand when he corrected her for not looking at him while heeling! 

No, she doesn't do that to me...she knows who's boss!

Oh, and BTW, any dog that has been obedience trained not to pull on a collar SHOULD NOT BE DOING PROTECTION IN THAT SAME COLLAR, especially if it's a prong!! No WONDER the poor dog is confused!   That lady needs to get her dog a harness. Unless your dog is extremely strong or heavy, even a tracking harness will do the job.

I've actually been searching and spending hours the past few months looking for a breeder for my next GSD purchase.  It was brought to my attention regarding Rush.  That led me to Canczech.  Everything they do with their dogs is exactly what I've been looking for.  The effort, care, and time they put in with their puppies is amazing.  They put A LOT of work into their puppies.  I'm sure other kennels do too... The protection scenerios they work their adult dogs in is unique also.  They have fun training and that's what I'm after.  Solid nerves, balanced drives, calm/crushing bite, determined.  Their dogs represent the creators standard very well.   I've never owned a dog from Canczech, but everything looked top notch to me.  Just my observation.  Just maybe I can own a dog from this kennel soon......

On this and many other forums people will go on about how great and strong their dog is...etc etc.  Yet these people have never truly tested the dog. At best most of these wonder dogs may see an IPO helper on a club field but even that is rare.

I want to see the dog biting and fighting on stairs, dark rooms, slippery floors, moving docks etc.  I want to see the dog moving over unfamiliar surfaces while out of drive out in public.  I want to see how he bites when the decoy truly pressures him no playing games. 

So many people have fairy dust in their eyes when they look at their dogs, they make excuses or they do not know what they are looking at so ultimately their opinion means nothing.

I like video, nice dogs Duke  the crap talk stops when the tail gate drops.   :)

The Czeck dogs I have encountered tend to not have the best nerve, they cope through greater expression of aggression hence many people say they are more serious and civil.  In reality their aggression is based in insecurity and with enough pressure both from the decoy or environment they will show their true colors.  I know their are good ones out there but I personally tend to trust WGWL or East/West mixes more as I have better experiences with those dogs.