Look at these hips - Page 9

At least the owner realizes what the important thing is in this situation. 

And for the rest of you...no one is saying asking the lines or what the breeder is going to do about it isn't "normal." Of course it is. But read this thread. Those aren't "normal" questions. Those are leading questions, waiting for the big gasp when everyone finds out who the breeder/broker is. If they were innocent questions, I wouldn't have made my comment. But the fact is that instead of being upset and sympathetic to the pain the poor dog is enduring and what poor Chrissy is facing, the blame game and innuendos came out instead. Just disgusts me, that's all. Take care of the dog first, then figure out what to do about a breeder who won't honor their word/guarantee.

And for you paranoid delusional folks, I have no agenda whatsoever. Sure, I breed, but to my knowledge, I have not had a health problem in my pups, and the few minor issues that have come up (had one baby tooth we thought we were going to have to have pulled but it came out last second by itself) I went way outside my guarantee and offered to pay for it or at least split it. So don't go trying to make this out like I just don't want to see breeders take responsibility. I just know that if it was one of my pups and the owner was going along with trying to crucify me and not worrying about the dog first and foremost, I'd be livid and wish I'd never sent them a dog. I'd take the dog back for a full refund and take care of it myself. 

So, back to poor Kaiser and Chrissy's dilemma...breeder bashing can take place when Kaiser is on the mend. 

JMO. 

Ya, well there are a few things I find disgusting as well.  Dishonesty is one of them, hypocrisy is another, add in a dose of over inflated ego's and kennel blindness.

Sure, everyone one has 'accidents' poor quality dogs once and a while, but when it just seems to keep piling up, and piling up, one has to wonder.  I believe the truth always comes out, and hypocrites and liars are eventually exposed, for what they are. 

I can even respect what some call back yard breeders, the honest ones, that don't boast up their dogs to be something they are not, ones that don't charge exuberant prices, but will still stand behind them. You won't see me on here critisizing them at all.

  As for helping the dog vs exposing the source, everyone has their gifts.  Some are better at cleaning up messes, some prefer to be proactive and use preventative measures, so the clean ups are not necessary as often and fewer dogs and people are hurt in the process.

The "uproar" and "innuendo" are not to crucify anyone, they are a less than gentle PUSH  to for once do something RIGHT for this girl and her poor pup.

Plenty of offers of help in many forms have been sent to Chrissy privately, both in just plain old support and many other ways.

Those of us that have read her first struggle with these breeder/brokers are aware of most of the details, long and short of it, this girl got screwed!
And that was before the hip issue came up.

Who knows, she may have decided to still take the puppy with a bad overbite, but my bet is she would have passed and continued to look for another pup. The main problem here is, she was never given that option!

Still, she stands behind her pup, not many would, and because of that fact, we have extended an offer of a place to stay should she choose to find a vet in our area for the surgery. She can stay expense free with her pup until he is healed enough to fly/drive home. We will pick her up at the airport of her choice and get her and the pup wherever they need to go. The reality is, this girl needs MONEY to be able to supply this pup with the care he will need, surgical or otherwise. And she has already dumped a boatload of $ into him, so doesn't have an endless supply laying around. So yes, we are all trying to help her. And if it means making it uncomfortable for the breeder/broker, so be it. I could care less if they are offended etc, I care more about a girl who worked and saved and researched to buy her "dream pup", she did everything right, and still she won the "shit lottery" didn't she? And even after all this, she stands by her pup.

Judging by the "brush off" she got when the dental issue arose, I'm not expecting much else from the breeder/broker. But hey, miracles happen, and maybe they will do whats ethically right. Sure hope so, would go a long way to repairing a tarnished reputation. And making things right. Chrissy in return could send back her AKC or other paperwork on the dog, so they would be assured he would never be bred as a papered dog etc (not that I believe that to be a concern).

This all started with a puppy that was purchased sight unseen, via reputation and assurance by the breeder/broker etc, and the unsuspecting buyer gets a puppy with a bad overbite that the breeder/broker didn't notice? That tells me maybe they should cut back on their numbers so they can better manage their puppies. I saw the pictures, it was BAD. I don't know how anyone could not have seen it prior to shipping. So yes, all this should come to light.

Chrissy, our best wishes to you and the little bugger. Please post your vet's info so donations can be sent.
They can/should be used in any manner of care for your pup, be it surgery or other alternative options.

Great post Workingdogz, I too remember the issue with the teeth and the breeders response, it was pathetic.  This girl wanted a dog to compete with, she ends up with a financial nightmare with the hits just keeping on coming, there is no way in hell they didn't know the puppy had the overbite in the first place, the fact is they just treated Chrissy like a septic tank.  I don't care a rip about the breeder or his reputation, it already stinks to the high heavens in my opinion, I care about this poor girl who has given everything she has to this poor puppy, she would have been better off getting a puppy off Craigslist! 

I live in Southern California Chrissy, if you find someone out here to do the surgery I would be more than happy to help you out, I have a spare room and a nice kennel for your dog.  If someone wants to set up a fund for Chrissy I would be more than happy to make a donation.

ok.....Chrissy...

I called this place from a referral from a vet I use and they were highly recommended.  They are in Scottsdale and I'm sure they aren't cheap.  They wouldn't quote me over the phone as they said the Dr needs to see the dog first.  Consultation appointment is free.  I say call and say you are in tucson but can email him the xrays.  Hopefulyl they will price quote you over the phone then.
http://www.animalmedicalandsurgical.com/home/contact_us/default.asp


I use this vet as well and they have 2 surgeons in the office.  The surgeon wasn't in yet but I left a message to have him call me back to discuss.  I will let you know what they say and give him your contact info.  This is a very nice place and I take both dogs here as well for regular check ups.  They sent me to Dr. Robert Koch.
http://www.universityvet.com/


I can always go with you if you want as I know where these places are and don't mind tagging along.

Are there any "hunting dog" vets in your area Ace? or Chrissys? Those type of vets tend to be much more financially do-able and just as capable.

I want to know, what is a "hunting dog" vet?

Oh, why do I bother? 

You're talking about having background information and making assumptions based on what you think the breeder might do based on what they have done in the past. I'm talking about reading the thread and taking it at face value, and if you do that, there is a clear lack of compassion and an abundance of venom. I don't know the story, I don't know the breeder, and you know what? I don't really care. I don't think the breeder is what's important at THIS POINT. Chrissy seems to be one of the only other ones to see it that way. Kaiser is the important part, Kaiser and finding a way for her to do what's best (in HER eyes) for him. 

Instead of concentrating on that, you're worried about "outing" the guilty party and even admit that the motivation is to save yourselves possible future hassle. That's all well and good, at an appropriate time. IMO, now is not the appropriate time. There is plenty of time for that after HELPFUL suggestions have been given. I highly doubt that Chrissy is finding those posts terribly helpful when she checks this thread. I have to wonder how many of you, if in a car accident, would check on the other party before you decided who was at fault and notified your insurance company or attorney.

I think it was Blitzen who said Chrissy is a breeder's dream. I agree. I doubt she's in a position to take on a new puppy at this time, but I will give her one if she'd like it. All she has to do it get it to AZ. It's horribly unfortunate that regardless of what she chooses, she won't be able to do what she intended with Kaiser and I think she deserves to be rewarded for being one of the "good guys." 

Pack, I think they mean a vet who frequently works w/people who aren't about to spend thousands on fancy surgeries done at inflated prices...as most hunters are unwilling to do. They tend to do most work on their dogs themselves, and often rely only on country vets to do major work. I would have said "country vet". I have found that they're way cheaper, more practical, and almost always have more practical experience than the average vet at a city clinic. 

Actually Jennie, I was referring to a type of vet that tends to see a lot of orthopedic problems in dogs that are worked hard. A "hunting dog vet" tends to be frequented by those that choose quality service and no frills or bullshit above care. We have two vets outside of our city that are used by a large group of hunters here to repair knees etc. Not always board certified specialists, but there are plenty of Vet's that are not board certified that are actually revered by their peers. It's not always about NOT wanting to spend thousands of dollars. It can be about practicality. There are loads of vets that face these types of surgeries that are not orthopedic specialists and have a super success rate. Just like a horse person would seek out the best vet do do remove OCD lesions in a hock, that same vet they go to may not be a board certified specialist, they may just be "damn good at what they do" without charging thousands.  Example, we have a small animal vet nearby that seems to "specialize" in doing knees on small dogs. And what they charge compared to other clinics is astounding. Over $1000.00 per knee difference from what the other clinics charge to this one. Vet has a super success rate. Loads of customers with now sound dogs as referrals.

"Farm" vets tend to be the same way, cattlemen will not use the services of a vet who nickels and dimes them, they will however spend their money with a vet who brings experience and skill.

Hope that clarifies what I meant GSDPACK.