not right kennel?? - Page 9

do not want to get involved in this conflict , but what amazes me is that Im in dogs for over 25 years and for that same time 99 of 100 americans go for the fame of the name , be it the individual dog or kennel name  , pups are advertized as GG children of so and so , to sell better , and kennelnames of  famous grandparents are used to push pups
 

now someone mentions this open and honest , I see a group of people going out of their way to sayit is not so , very funny

be real , if I have quality pups withno famous parents its hard to sell , but if I have a crappy bitch , breed her to javir or bomber , they will go easily

 

Duke hit the nail on the head ! I always see ads for the grandchildren of bob the great on this site. I also have seen many many breedings where the females pedigree is very average until you get 5 generations back or more. 

I can hear Wades stress about having to stop with the dogs due to health reasons. That has got to suck. I am very sorry to hear that.

sorry for wade too ,health is more important than anything

I've had such serious health problems that I had to give up the dogs and it can be a very dark time. I empathize with Wade in that respect....

Hi everyone...Debbie not Hans.......I won't comment on anything else, but we also empathize with Wade and his poor health. That's why we offered to buy the darn dog back. 

Yes Duke that is exactly the truth. People collect the names, pedigrees. All dogs with particular pedigree are awesome and if it has a Bubba Von Extreme Poop Taking kennel they are willing to pay money no matter how crappy the dog is. 

There are dogs that become available in Czech that I will not have tied to my name. However
, there were dogs my contact returned and they still were sold to the US. Name over the dog's temperament seems to be the trend these days.
As long as I have Versace, I could care less that I can't walk out on the street dressed in it.  I still can talk about it!!!!

Money is not everything a good name is. There are dogs I would not want use in one sentence with my name.

Absolutely kennel name and pedigree counts when selling pups or dogs.

I hope everything works out Wade, healthwise and placing your dogs.  All the best to you.

There are names of dogs I wouldn't want, either. I can think of one or two here in the USA that I have turned down because the kennel had such negative connotations associated w/it in most people's minds.

But to choose a puppy and then be angry because it doesn't have the right name when just a tiny bit of homework would've made that fact obvious, is just childish.

I suppose I can sympathize (actually empahize) w/Wade for having to sell dogs due to health, ( since I'm doing the same damn thing right this very minute), but I guess I still don't see it as an excuse for insults and profanity and namecalling. Guess we're just different.

As far as the "name game" I'm by no means new to wl GSDs, I did just the last yr or so start looking at pedigrees.  When buying a dog I knew what "type" of dog I needed to do the work, and that is what I looked for.  I could have cared less who the parents were as long as they were healthy, and the pup could do the work.  Yes there are certain kennels etc I would avoid but it was because of the way they do business, or they simply did not have the type I was looking for. 

Hank - I will agree with your posts as many people are in fact hung up on the kennel name.  I say they are caught up with the kennel name b/c the breeder has time after time produced good working dogs.  They title them and put them into homes where they will be used and bred and the offspring are capable of performing as well. Yes a puppy with no name parents are a lot harder to sell than a puppy from parents that have well known names.

To everyone,

The problem with this particular instance is that Wade is pissed off that the dog having the kennel name, "OD ROUBENKY".  The whole issue of kennels names is mute b/c he chose a pup out of the breeding with the dam having the kennel name "OD ROUBENKY".  Wade said he didn't know who the hell OD ROUBENKY was and all that.  If that is the case then why get a puppy from this breeding??  If the puppy had a name other than z Jirkova Dvora or OD ROUBENKY then I would see Wade's point on this.  Jinopo is very good about listing their Stud Dogs, Brood bitches and retired/sold dogs.  Ussy isn't listed so that should tell you they don't own the dog and therefore won't carry the Jirkova Dvora name.

As for Hans involvement he was being a friend trying to help him out.  Wade got the dog directly through Jinopo and DID NOT go through Hans.  Wade said earlier he "expects" the same warranty that Hans has despite not getting it from Hans.  If I am not mistaken (and i could be) Hans warranty offers a little more coverage than Jinopo's (which is a basic warranty that more european breeders have).  Expectations and what is right there in black and white on a webpage are two seperate things.  In the end Hans interviened and tried to help him out.

We all know about Wade's health and that in itself is sad b/c he has had to stop being a breeder due to it.  With that said, that doesn't give Wade the right nor is it an excuse to come on here and cuss people out & rant at rave at people who don't agree with him.  That is flat out wrong, childish and a apology should have been sent.  As many of us know, this isn't the first time Wade has flown off the deep end and let him anger and horrible temper (as he admits) get the best of him.  It is unnecessary and uncalled for and wins you no sympathy.

Wade has gone around praising Jinopo & Hans and has used their knowledge to help him build a kennel of nice dogs to work and breed.  He has claimed that they are great friends and what not.  If that is the case, any problems/issues they they have should remain between them and not all out on the internet.  I have a small amount of friends and when we have arguments, disagreements, issues......we sit down like grown ass men and hash it out.  None of this running around on the internet or running to other to hel[p get people on our side.  We sit down and come up with a solution.  If I bought a dog from Hank, Wade or anyone else and there are problems to where Im this upset, I need to sit down and talk to them.  I wouldn't run to 2-3 forums looking for answers when those people on the internet can't do a damn thing.  It about respect and it does have to go both ways.  Going onto the internet and blasting the breeder as Con artists and every other name doesn't make you look any good.  It shows you are doing this to be spiteful as you didn't get the result you are looking for.  You can't possibly believe that any good would come from it by acting this way.  Wade has said numerous times that he doesn't know why americans import from overseas when there are good american breeders here in the states.  Ironic that you say that but you import yourself.  You coming and cussing people out doesn't help s