Asko von der Lutter - Page 9

No problem November. Just trying to help. Hope everything goes well with him. It's just where I'm from, if your dog runs up and jumps on another dog and either dog gets bit the dog that intiated it is put down. No questions. So that  "He thinks (off the leash) that he has to spend 30 seconds whipping ass, then he steps back like "hey, wanna be friends?" could end up with the other dog bitting your dog and you'll still be the one looseing your dog with 1 phone call.

As a matter of fact here on the PDB not long ago there was a simmilar thread about this happening @ a dog park and the people had to put down their dog. I'd hate to see that happen.

Again good luck.

Did I not say its only happened twice? Did I not say I'm just now getting to working with him off the leash? Did I not say I have a very limited amount of time to work with my dogs?

Maybe if you were a little more tactful it might have occurred to you to say it was a lack of training in that area and I needed to focus on that rather than insulting me by saying its an owner issue.

My dogs have a greater range of freedom than most and THAT is the perameter I'll train within, for better or for worse, and I ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel my dogs any time I'm not in the yard with them. If they can't behave themselves in my absence, theyre not really accepting my training and they need more training. Period.

Sorry you took it as a personal afront. But since you want to take it that way...

"its only happened twice?"----Shouldn't have happened the 1st time let alone twice.

"Did I not say I'm just now getting to working with him off the leash? Did I not say I have a very limited amount of time to work with my dogs?"----THE DOG'S 3YRS OLD. About time don't you think?

"My dogs have a greater range of freedom than most and THAT is the perameter I'll train within, for better or for worse, and I ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel my dogs any time I'm not in the yard with them."------ SO you've decided to let the run loose. At least you are taking responsibility for them getting hurt or any trouble they get into during that greater range.

This is what makes owning GSD's so hard for those of us who try to do it right.


DONE HERE

Well, smartass, my dogs live in a 40' x 60 pen with a 10' x 30 attachment that I open at times. I also bought my dog at 1 yr of age. Do you think maybe I spent the first year working on deconditioning him against fear of humans and not cowering every time a voice was raised near him? Aside from rebuilding confidence and self-esteem I also spent the first year on leash and basic obedience training. Now, I'm getting to off-leash training.

Maybe if you asked some questions on the situation rather than making an attack, automatically assuming I'm some dipshit who thinks his dog is supposed to be his buddy whoresponds to "Honey, please" this whole issue could have been avoided. But no, you're an expert who's influence over his dog only extends to the range of his eyesight. Thank you so much.

SO you don't "ABSOLUTELY refuse to kennel" your dogs. 40 x 60 pen = large kennel. SO you bought a 1yr old dog with major issues, That you obviously didn't know how to fix. Now you've spent 2yrs training and you can't keep him from jumping on other dogs? Still doesn't explain how you've allowed this to happen, not once, but twice. If you could trust the dog this never would have happened. Particularly not 2x. Until you had proofed him off leash with other distractions why would you have him with other dogs while off leash? As for your comment "you're an expert who's influence over his dog only extends to the range of his eyesight." NO, that's what the long down under distraction is supposed to show. Although if I had a dog that came with major man made issues I would certainly keep him in my sight and under control when other dogs were around. I sure hope you have gotten a good trainer involved with the dog because the more you post the less it sounds like you know what you're doing.

Can't believe I let myself get pulled back in.... Some people have NO CLUE.

DONE, NO MORE, NADDA

I don't do schutzhund. I don't have the time. I work full time. I go to college full time. Am I getting through to you? Why is he off the lead with other dogs? Gee, I don't know. Maybe training. Maybe conditioning. Maybe because you can spend days in the country and never see another person.

So far as problems I don't know how to fix, I'd trust the dog ANYWHERE UNLEASHED in the back of my truck and he goes all over the place with me. I trust him with adults. I trust him with children, I trust him with passersby and canines passing by and even cats passing by and I don't think twice about it. But then again, I'm just an inept moron who doesn't know anything.

I've been following this a bit but I'm getting confussed. Noverbergrey in one post you talk about being in a residential area. Then in another you're in rural America? Both these examples happened when you were at training? Not too mention that you stated that your dog was attacked on three seperate occasions? Was this at training? You work full time and go to school full time yet you thought you would have the time to take in and rehabilitate a dog with big issues? Seems to me that you need to take a step back and keep this poor dog away from everything or you're just going to get him in worse shape than he came to you in.

Actually Brad, I live in an area about 850 sq. miles and a population of 17,000. Currently I live in a town with maybe 100 people about 8 miles outside the county seat which has a whopping 4200. I often exercise my dogs on the back roads and you don't ever know just exactly when some farm dog is going to pop out from behind a corn crib, or somebody's lab is going to charge out while you're passing a house. Dogs around here either get hidden away in someone's house or on a farm that may be 3 or 4 miles from the nearest house. The nearest dog park is probably 200 miles away and people here don't generally leash or pen their dogs unless they're in town.

Actually Danko is doing great. People come up and pet him all the time and I get endless compliments on how beautiful, obedient and well behaved my dogs are. He's made a LOT of progress and I'm really proud of him and myself for what I accomplished with him. I have four and two rat terriers. I'm very well known around here as "that guy with the german shepherds". However, Danko's training isn't complete. He was only my second GSD even though I've had dogs all my life. But I still maintain that in comparison to my older dog, he's just a little immature. But training just takes time. Unfortunately, time isn't something I've always got and he is being trained for the environment in which he lives : the back roads, the woods, the lake and so on. He's never going anywhere. Never. He'll be a country hick's dog until the day he dies. And with time he'll get the rules down just like my old female did and just like my two young females did and like my ratty female did and with a little more work so will my ratty male, but it takes time and thought and then a little practice on top of that.

Troublix and Heiko thanks - he is awesome----

November - get over it------------GSD world is small - and everybody has an opinion............just move on..............this is internet and - unless you know somebody personally - it is just talk..............move on.............if you know him............break his nose at training................but leave it on the field...........if you know him/her............

YogieBear

What does any of this have to do with Asko?

I know that I am ADD but I am just not making the connection here