Sloping backlines and over angulation - Page 8

It´s like always -

the showscene tending to "overangulated"
the sportscene tending to "underangulated"
but both scenes only looking at their personal goal.

But WHAT is the goal of these different scenes?

Showscene: A floating trot, as fast as possibble
Sportscene: A fast gallop, and the ability to make fast turns

The German Shepherd dog is no wolf, it´s a BREED with a breed standard, a result out of different sheep herding dogs, but combined with the vision of the creator of this breed. There is a standard - according to this standard the German Shepherd dog is a TROTTER, well angulated, but neither over- nor underdone.

Right now BOTH scenes lost the vision of the breed, BOTH scenes are trying to breed a dog fitting its goals, but not fitting the standard.

You mentioned M. Heyne - he didn´t like "over"angulated dogs - but MORE IMPORTANT - he didn´t like prey driven dogs, not able to work on its own...

This is normal.

Joanro, sorry but this dog lacks in rear angulation though backline looks to be super

Susie, one direct question
I believe in the standard but I strongly think latest amendments are pro overangulation, should I support it or speak against it?

Ibrahim says;'.. sorry but this dog lacks in rear angulation though backline looks to be super.'

I'll show you another pic, Ibrahim, and you'll see that she is standing tense and alert with right rear stretched.

Here, same pup, same dayher front slightly down hill on the side of road.

ok

I know you replied, 'OK', before I posted the second picture :-)

hahaha, with all fairness she lacks in rear angulation. I wish modern show GSD has her underchest and underline, she has super topline, withers and croup.
Our subject is rear angulation and this is not enough angulation, might be very good on the scale of other working breeds, but a GSD should have a deeper rear, that is a characteristic of the breed, and I am not talikng overangulation like that of Xeph's.

 Here is what I think is correct rear angulation, deeper than this angulation then we enter danger zone of having loose hocks and unstable rear assembly. Pls do not look at topline, look at the stifle turn (the thigh angle, the one between lower bone and higher bone). If any one wishes I can show a simple way how to spot a correct from incorrect rear angulation.

Correct

And here is what I think is overangulated