Czech pedigree define??? - Page 8

'sales pitch or different dogs after few generations of selecting in a certain direction.'
I don't know what sales pitch has to do with this pup, but ABSOLUTELY different dogs after a few generations of selecting in a certain direction....selecting in a certain direction is what a breeding program should be, not breeding simply based on recognizable names in a ped. But as you said, quality doesn't fall up, so the baggage is past forward. I don't call my dogs 'all Czech' when they are not. And if I ever refered to my pup as 'knpv pup', that would be more accurate than saying all Czech when not so.

so two generations of different trainingprogram will make your pup a KNPV pup and multiple generations of  different breeding selecting and training in czech dont make them czech dogs, funny,

this is behind your KNPV dog, are you sure you can call it KNPV dog

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=648-apoll-vom-laacherhaus

Duke, first, I don't refer to my pup as a knpv dog, you did. And correct, selecting and training does not eliminated Quando von Arminus from the pedigree, or any of those others, any more than training and titling a dog in knpv eliminates those same dogs in their ped. One more thing, Duke, this thread is not about knpv dogs in Holland, it is about defining Czech pedigree. So I guess one can glean from the responses here on this thred, that Czech pedigree encompasses dogs from GSL, WG sport lines, zps kennel, Czech sport and conformation pretty WL and various dogs from multitude of nonfamous kennels. But each selected for what they have to offer in producing 'Czech dogs.' And from these dogs, one must choose the direction one wants to go in their breeding program; sport, color, pet, PPD, PSD, etc.

just showing you that wheather you call your dog KNPV or sport or Czech it is more about what they were bred and selected to do over multiple generations than what is way back in their pedigrees

todays czech breeders dont breed for patroll dogs and policedogs anymore but for sport mainly, which changed breedingchoices and selectioncretiria, that is why they are different(generally speaking) than classic czech dogs, disregards everything you "discovered " way back in their pedigrees

Duke, why are you attacking a puppy I purchased from Holland, instead of answering my questions to you regarding this topic. I m sure I don't call the pup a knpv dog, she is not trained in knpv, she is only six months old. What does HER pedigree have to do with "all czech" ped as you claim your dog is. I have not made any statements about the pup, leave her out of this. I already know what her pedigree is, I researched it before purchase. Further, do you even know what I imported her for? What is your issue with a pup that has nothing to do with this topic? Could it be diversion, being as you have not answered my honest question to you?

Third generation is not way back, and once again I don't call the puppy knpv dog, she is not trained in knpv. And as for me 'discovering way back' in their ped, there is no 'discovery' its right there in a four gen ped...I'm not criticizing the ped, just the inaccuracy of saying All Czech when it's not.

if you dont see the similarity im showing you, in calling a dog being from a certain line, between czech, or KNPV or BSP lines than I give up,

my answer is in my previous post

 

here it is again

just showing you that wheather you call your dog KNPV or sport or Czech it is more about what they were bred and selected to do over multiple generations than what is way back in their pedigrees

todays czech breeders dont breed for patroll dogs and policedogs anymore but for sport mainly, which changed breedingchoices and selectioncretiria, that is why they are different(generally speaking) than classic czech dogs, disregards everything you "discovered " way back in their pedigrees

Duke, KNPV is a SPORT, any dog with the ability to be trained in the sport can be titled PH if they go to Holland to be titled, doesn't even matter where the dog actually Resides if their country is accepted by knpv.....that is NOT the same as saying the dog is Dutch, or Czech, or German pedigree. Don't you see that?

"just showing you that wheather you call your dog KNPV or sport or Czech it is more about what they were bred and selected to do over multiple generations than what is way back in their pedigrees"

So how does one select and breed 'TO DO' a COUNTRY!? Oh, I think it must be that 'in the spirit of' thing, lol:-)
And third generation is not what I see as 'way back'.
You have very good dogs, doesn't matter what country of origin their recent ancestors are.

KNPV dogs are generally bred and trained to do KNPV  but they are also dutch pedigree, so are they the same dogs as the dutch IPO or the dutch showlines ??????

BSP dogs are bred and trained to do IPO

Classic czech dogs were bred and trained to do LE work

modern czech dogs are bred and trained to do sport

 

do you think there is a difference between malinois from belgium (ring) , holland KNPV . germany IPO