Working line cross - Page 8

Boo-that's chilling.

I was going to upload some of my working line/show line cross pups as adults, because my girls, whose pictures I share a lot, have a more feminine head; but the boys have big blocky heads & good solid, balanced drives & temperaments. All are nicely conformed. Too bad none went to working homes. But all are treasured by their people. One of my greatest prides was hearing a vet, experienced with GSD, say that one of my pups was worth his weight in gold, because of his intelligence, & gently protective nature towards the children in his family. The vet pointed out his ability to discern between threats to himself, & how he kept his body between the vet & his kids, all the while allowing his care in a cooperative manner. But he's no couch potato. I tried to down load some pictures, but they were all upside down, 'cause he's a looker, too.

jackie harris

 

 

The GSD is a breed of dog true .. that the breed is only for working purposes as defined by a small subset of owners is not true.  I see no difference in the logic or arguement that claims working line and show line should not interbreed and those who espouse racial purity and hygiene.  Those who claim that working line and show line crosses are inferior to " whatever a working line GSD is" if they are allowed to contaminate their blood with show line parentage are singing the same tune from the same hymn book as the racial purity bigots have always sung.  The racists always equate sameness as purity when it could be that inbreeding is the ultimate form of racial purity.  There exists no steady state superiority of form and function in a race or breed.  It requires the contant remixing of genes to approach perfection but perfection can never be captured and held constant ( similar to catching lightning in a bottle ).  Both the working line and show line cult members strive to reach perfection for the moment and usually by inbreeding to the past.  In both cases the use of inbreeding has brought disasters and health issues.

Humans in a free society are not 'bred' and their pairings are not controled by other humans in a free society.....dogs and livestock are. Dogs and livestock have been developed for use by humans. Making the assertion that SL and WL are equal in all attributes and therefore should be interbred in discriminantly is no different than the critcism that certain attributes are preferred and thereby selected for and breedings made accordingly. Anyone with an eye for evaluating structure can see the blatant differences within the gsd 'lines'. Same major differences are seen in the majority of breeds that have a dichotomy of show and performance. Ie, a person desiring actual racing greyhounds is not going to use dogs from a show kennel in their racing dog breeding program. Has nothing to do with Hitler's perverted ideas for 'breeding humans'. Humans and animals are not the same....unless you are a disciple of peta.

The laws barring marriage of the races were not repealed in some states until the 1970"s and were based on what biological necessity.  Phenotype and a dishonest use of phenotype was the basis for much of Hitler's Jew murdering as well as of course the Jews were an inferior (the mud people) people because Hitler said so.  The concept that show line has certain attributes which apply to all individuals is no different than saying all blacks have a low IQ and they have smaller brains which proves it if you believe the racist research which supported this conclusion.  The same gross misrepresentation of black and white attributes ( both in color and false attributes ) is used to separate the show line and working line groups of the GSD which by the way the GSD breed registries do not approve of or support.  It is never black and white with the GSD as a breed .. only shades of grey when it comes to attributes.  Take away the labels and it all becomes much easier .. I don't see the dogs having a problem with it but the GSD owners who cling to the superiority of one sub-group .. Czech, working, show line, Dutch or IPO based on entirely non-biological characteristics are like the white parents who reacted with horror when their kids drank from the "colored's" water fountain .. kids must know that white kids don't drink from the "colored's" water fountain.  I actually did this once because I did not know that the water from the "colored's" fountain was different or bad for me.  I suppose I have not changed .. when I see two GSD with good attributes and complimentary strengths I don't spend a lot of time pondering on whether they are working or show line ..  what will people think??  I mean Jews all have big noses and show line GSD all have roached backs .. don't they??

Humans and dogs are not equal...you are speaking in terms that are equal to Peta beliefs.

Human prejudices seem to have a way of bleeding over into everything that humans do or touch including dog breeding.  Perhaps a reading of the insanity about the current posts concerning "reversed mask" would prove enlightening and a primer on what prejudice and human folly in GSD breeding looks like.

If that's your experience, OK.

Seriously? The breed was developed to be a working breed.

I am in the same class of racists and Hilter's sick ideals because I don't cross showlines with my working lines dogs? Here you go clumping everyone together and creating harebrained stereotypes and ASSumptions.

I like what the working dog "type" tends to be, therefore that is what I build my lines on. Showlines are definitely not inferior in my book, they are just bred for another "type", and that most certainly is OK. I would certainly purchase/use a SL dog if the dog fit what I like, I just go with what lines that fit what I aim to produce, and that tends to be WL. Nothing at all against SL. It is all in what the individual strives to produce.

I must be in the worst of the worst. I've seen quite a few "s/l" that I would not breed to my s/l.

The original post got lost in the smoke and mirrors    ..... It was    "I am in the research stage of buying a male stud. I am wondering what your opions are on crossing WL dogs with SL? I dont want to start huge ugly debate but would like opions and why this is a good idea or bad idea to cross the two?"   ... my position is that there is no reason not to cross WL with Show Line if the dogs compliment.  I have done this multiple times and the results were great because I mated two great dogs .. the labels do not matter to me.  I posted photos and pedigrees.