Civil Dogs - Page 8

Tenmon
I don't know what I hit but the Justin is not the ped I was looking at. If he is as good a dog as his ped he is a dandy. Sorry for the mistake.

The dog I was refering to is his son V Yoschy vom Steintal  and Fero is twice on Yoschy's mothers side. I would like to see what Yoschy is like I believe the  outcross of Fero and Troll could be a good one, but I would not have bred any more Fero in this blood line. There are a lot of nice bred female out there and if Yoschy is good he might be a good stud for non Fero bitches.

But Yoschy was bred to SG Nadja vom Schroeder Haus and she is 5-5-6 Fero That is a lot of Fero in the litter. That would be a lot of any single dog in a litter. Too tight JMO and she can not sell her puppies.

"Fero was a high line or show dog and that is fine for a outcross but not to line breed on."???????

Fero's parents, Flori and Perle, were born in 1977. There was no SL, WL seperation at that time. So calling fhim a show dog is inaccurate.

Paul wrote:
Tenmon
Can you not read?

"Tenmon
I don't know what I hit but the Justin is not the ped I was looking at. If he is as good a dog as his ped he is a dandy. Sorry for the mistake."

Now Paul I don't want to give you an english lesson here: Proper grammar; Sentence structure; Thought expression, etc.  Too lengthy!

Just from your apology, and I do accept it, I hope you can understand how one would go off on a tangent trying to follow your nonsensical ramblings!  Especially when it has nothing to do with anything.  Don't you?  I would think you needed to apologize to Gustaz also!  Shame on you!  You can't just go off half cocked accusing people for your short comings!  No matter, I am starting to understand what little Johnny wants when he entered the candy store.  At first he saw one bottle of jelly beans, and .....Mommy.....I want that red one.  Those are the best!  Ok little johnny you can have one.  However, as little Johnny went further in the store he saw another bottle of crunchy bars!  Oh! Oh!  Mommy mommy.....I like crunchy bars better and those are the bestest!  Now little johhny, said his mommy, I thought you wanted the jelly beans!  Oh no, those are ok, but now anything like the crunchy bar!  They are the bestest! I like the jelly beans but give me the runs!  An so little johnny changes his mind as he continue down the length of the counter and encounter more candies! 

The moral of the story is Paul........just like my other postings....YOU DON'T KNOW CRAP ABOUT PEDIGREES AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT!  Get a life!

Happy Hunting!

Anyone should think twice of wishing to have such hard dog. Living with one, I must say its not a walk in the park. Its a hate-love relationship. He's alpha male... I am alpha female. There is love, play, and there is conflict. He shows handler agression when he is in high drive and when he gets frustrated. SCHH training is not an easy go. He wants to fight other males and thinks he owns all females. Besides this he also owns everything else in his mind, including space and myself. Corrections have to be at a level you really dont want folks to see that dont have a clue what they look at. He will be two years old in 3 days. I hope to get a SCHH1 on him in fall. Lots of work to do! He is a mix of East/West. Its a lot of dog, alot of work and a lot of commitment. And I love him to death!

But yeah, you dont breed hard to hard, but hard to well balanced. It is selfish trying to produce that extreme hard pup or litter. People want to enjoy their dogs. They dont want a constant power struggle on their hands.

I feel for you it is a battle

Tenmon
Are you stoned or stupid?

Gustaz dogs are exactly what I said there line breedings are. I am sorry you can not keep up.

"Now Paul I don't want to give you an english lesson here: Proper grammar; Sentence structure; Thought expression, etc.  Too lengthy!"

I thought I had something to say. What was all of that crap you wrote.

If my dog is not will to bit me protecting himself he is too big a wimp for ME. 
 

If I had an asshole of a dog for an asshole of a handler, you'd be the first to know.  Have you considered the Military Working Dog adoption program?

If I may reword my first question. Where are the WG dogs like Greif and Mink? Who are the breeders and who are the dogs?

Elkoor,
You are so right...you don't breed hard to hard unless you want to box yourself in. I agree with breeding hard dogs to balanced dogs with exceptional "nerve". Paul, I'm sorry I misunderstood what you are seeking....I don't believe in any line exclusively but rather a good strong hard dog with capability of having a wide scope to breed to. Therefore, I will mix Czech and West and DDR depending on what I need to maintain proper balance. So I'm of little value to this thread, though I know the WG dogs very well that bring the type of hardness or aggression you mentioned....Take care!

 I have seen what this dog produced when bred to czech dogs and W German dogs. Not just one or two.Hard civil dogs  with good hips,  He is double on Fero

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