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by Doberdoodle on 13 May 2010 - 03:05
He's pretty, good chest, good pigment. He has a kind of low and angled croup and the way he's standing in the 2nd pic is funny. I don't think he's very angulated, I think they meant the angle of the croup falling away from where the hips meet the backbone.
by Pridhams on 13 May 2010 - 23:05
Ah.. thank you for the link to the Devon opticians Pam. Sweet of you to do that.
I will use the specs to re-read a post on Dogsey that you posted yourself about this dog.
Just to refresh your memory, I'm posting the link:
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=118175&page=3
You admit he is roach backed and angulation is too steep.
You said, subsequent to informing the thread that he had ED, and was taken out of the gene pool because of this, and I quote,
"Firstly his topline unless you feel as it is hidden by his coat, or if he stands a certain way he has a slight roach to his back.
Secondly his hind angulation, his croup is too steep and the length of Metatarus is to long."
Well, there you have it, Pam.
Should've gone to Specsavers, LOL
Maggie.
PS. Hope he's a feeling a lot better now. Those pics didn't do him justice.
I will use the specs to re-read a post on Dogsey that you posted yourself about this dog.
Just to refresh your memory, I'm posting the link:
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=118175&page=3
You admit he is roach backed and angulation is too steep.
You said, subsequent to informing the thread that he had ED, and was taken out of the gene pool because of this, and I quote,
"Firstly his topline unless you feel as it is hidden by his coat, or if he stands a certain way he has a slight roach to his back.
Secondly his hind angulation, his croup is too steep and the length of Metatarus is to long."
Well, there you have it, Pam.
Should've gone to Specsavers, LOL
Maggie.
PS. Hope he's a feeling a lot better now. Those pics didn't do him justice.
by Trev1 on 17 May 2010 - 01:05
Well blow me over with a feather but Wildmoor has suddenly gone quiet following that last, rather revealing posting! As have her cheerleaders also!
I am a silent lurker, as my dear granddaughter would call me, on many a German Shepherd Dog Forum. I do not often post, but often that is because I prefer to read in my own time, the views that are shared. Having been involved in both breeding and training German Shepherd Dogs for over 45 years I have seen many changes throughout the breed. Some for the good and some for, I believe, the bad. Anyway, my ramblings are taking me from the task in hand, hence why my granddaughter despairs of me making comments on such threads. So back to why I posted in the first place.
Wildmoor, lets not forget, set this entire thread up in reference to another thread where she slated someone named Pridhams's solid blue German Shepherd Dog for being a "blue collie lookalike". This Pridhams defence was to retaliate with "of course I am going to defend my dilute, there is nothing wrong with him unlike the over angulated dog you have at home". All very harsh and rather feisty from both ladies I thought. However, lets reasonably say here that maybe this poster Pridhams is owed an apology in view of what has now come to light? I believe now, from seeing with my own, albeit old, eyes, that she was only posting based on Wildmoors previous statement of her own dog.
As I think we (and when I say we, I refer to German Shepherd people in general who regularly read all forums regardless of their post count) all know, Wildmoor is a fountain of information. Correct or not as her information often is, she certainly has a high post count and following, as well as a very high volume of disagreers also all over the German Shepherd forums in the Uk, as well as, now I believe, Australia also! Therefore, of course we/many, would take her word as gospel at times. If she states her own dog is over angulated on another forum then I do believe it is fair to state such a thing here without any rude intention and without such a harsh comeback.
I must admit, the over angulation comment was one thing but dear goodness almighty me, discovering this dog actually has Elbow Dysplasia was quite another matter indeed! Especially after slating what may well be healthy dogs all over all forums simply for their colour! Seems people in glass houses maybe should not throw the first pebble after all. After specifically making a comment about how Pridhams should have learned her lesson in buying her supposed "blue collie lookalike" as at least Wildmoors dog had hips and not "no hips at all" (assumedly referring to Pridhams dogs having HD) I definitely think an apology, or at least a shirking away hiding under a stone for a while is required! Elbow Dysplasia, my goodness me!!!! That comment regarding no hips is certainly not justified in light of all this!
Do you have no response Wildmoor to this comment you made previously and to the fact this thread was set up to defend a comment you actually made yourself that someone was simply quoting and then was attacked by you ?
I am a silent lurker, as my dear granddaughter would call me, on many a German Shepherd Dog Forum. I do not often post, but often that is because I prefer to read in my own time, the views that are shared. Having been involved in both breeding and training German Shepherd Dogs for over 45 years I have seen many changes throughout the breed. Some for the good and some for, I believe, the bad. Anyway, my ramblings are taking me from the task in hand, hence why my granddaughter despairs of me making comments on such threads. So back to why I posted in the first place.
Wildmoor, lets not forget, set this entire thread up in reference to another thread where she slated someone named Pridhams's solid blue German Shepherd Dog for being a "blue collie lookalike". This Pridhams defence was to retaliate with "of course I am going to defend my dilute, there is nothing wrong with him unlike the over angulated dog you have at home". All very harsh and rather feisty from both ladies I thought. However, lets reasonably say here that maybe this poster Pridhams is owed an apology in view of what has now come to light? I believe now, from seeing with my own, albeit old, eyes, that she was only posting based on Wildmoors previous statement of her own dog.
As I think we (and when I say we, I refer to German Shepherd people in general who regularly read all forums regardless of their post count) all know, Wildmoor is a fountain of information. Correct or not as her information often is, she certainly has a high post count and following, as well as a very high volume of disagreers also all over the German Shepherd forums in the Uk, as well as, now I believe, Australia also! Therefore, of course we/many, would take her word as gospel at times. If she states her own dog is over angulated on another forum then I do believe it is fair to state such a thing here without any rude intention and without such a harsh comeback.
I must admit, the over angulation comment was one thing but dear goodness almighty me, discovering this dog actually has Elbow Dysplasia was quite another matter indeed! Especially after slating what may well be healthy dogs all over all forums simply for their colour! Seems people in glass houses maybe should not throw the first pebble after all. After specifically making a comment about how Pridhams should have learned her lesson in buying her supposed "blue collie lookalike" as at least Wildmoors dog had hips and not "no hips at all" (assumedly referring to Pridhams dogs having HD) I definitely think an apology, or at least a shirking away hiding under a stone for a while is required! Elbow Dysplasia, my goodness me!!!! That comment regarding no hips is certainly not justified in light of all this!
Do you have no response Wildmoor to this comment you made previously and to the fact this thread was set up to defend a comment you actually made yourself that someone was simply quoting and then was attacked by you ?
by Wildmoor on 18 May 2010 - 00:05
Well Trev who ever you are I haven't been quiet because I had seen pridlams post, have you never thought I didn't post because I hadn't seen her post? Been to busy, extending runs, build a new roof, working, dog training, on top of not being well, but alas I didn't spend all my time on the computer and neither do I read every thread. I would have responded sooner had I seen her reply, but I ha not been back on here since she responded.
I have never denied he has ED I think if you search on here that you will find it as been posted try reading! How many dogs do you have that have either HD or ED? or do you not score, how do you know Maggie's dogs don't have ED because she certainly wont they have not been elbow scored. Not sure who you are neither do I particular care, but at least have the decency to use the same user name on all the boards instead of switching.
Have you actually seen her solid blue? when ever a topic comes up else where she blames all the ills on the breed on the WG show line when if you look into her dogs breeding with no hips it isn't WG, it is a mix of several lines in particular those that breed for the pet market. I do not come on here every day, neither do I read all posts.. She herself was not quoting me as you can tell she has only just found a post, otherwise if she had then she would have come back sooner. She hasn't a clue about construction of any species of animal let alone dogs.If she constantly posts pictures of her dog in response to my comments then I will comment on her dog. Regarding Australia I didn't upset some one from there, it was a UK person who breeds every colour under the rainbow, so again I suggest you get your facts correct. I know exactly who I have had disagreements with, well those that are honest about who they are, you say you are a lurker so why suddenly join? How can you say the dogs of certain colours are healthy with no tests to back it up? quite often ED is sub-clinical without any outward sign, if you don't xray elbows then don't tell anyone your dog doesn't have ED has you will never know. If you care to go back it was her that brought her blue dog into the topic, on the other board same as here the thread was about white pups with black patches, not blues. If you think I will apologizing to her think again, she was making judgments without seeing, I constantly had photos of hers posted every time a similar thread came up. My point of 'you think you would know better' was due to previous dogs bad breeding then going to a breeder who breeds for 1 thing only colour, not health, not titles not anything but colour.
She has never seen pictures of my dog in stance or those I posted elsewhere to learn people, yes I do feel the length of his Metatarsus is 1.25cms too long in proportion to his overall leg length, But on photographs as you can not tell the overall size and length of all his bones/structure then it is irrelevant, you would have to see the dog in person, regarding angles then, he is out by approx 10degrees but then again if I didn't point this out neither you or her would even be aware! This is the difference between her and I, she has little knowledge on the structure of the GSD.
Maggie regarding your early abuse and vile if I knew your real name and your PIN number then I wouldn't hesitate in reporting you to the NMC, you are a disgrace to your profession and I certainly wouldn't want you caring for any of my family or friends glad we don't live near you.
First do you have any idea what a roach is? I doubt it and to an inexperience person such as you, you wouldn't even be aware even in feeling the dog, I stated slight if I remember correctly, by slight I mean .75cm, certainly not visible to the naked eye, not yours at any rate, but there again according to you all West German dogs are 'half frog half dog' aren't they? better than a dippy l
I have never denied he has ED I think if you search on here that you will find it as been posted try reading! How many dogs do you have that have either HD or ED? or do you not score, how do you know Maggie's dogs don't have ED because she certainly wont they have not been elbow scored. Not sure who you are neither do I particular care, but at least have the decency to use the same user name on all the boards instead of switching.
Have you actually seen her solid blue? when ever a topic comes up else where she blames all the ills on the breed on the WG show line when if you look into her dogs breeding with no hips it isn't WG, it is a mix of several lines in particular those that breed for the pet market. I do not come on here every day, neither do I read all posts.. She herself was not quoting me as you can tell she has only just found a post, otherwise if she had then she would have come back sooner. She hasn't a clue about construction of any species of animal let alone dogs.If she constantly posts pictures of her dog in response to my comments then I will comment on her dog. Regarding Australia I didn't upset some one from there, it was a UK person who breeds every colour under the rainbow, so again I suggest you get your facts correct. I know exactly who I have had disagreements with, well those that are honest about who they are, you say you are a lurker so why suddenly join? How can you say the dogs of certain colours are healthy with no tests to back it up? quite often ED is sub-clinical without any outward sign, if you don't xray elbows then don't tell anyone your dog doesn't have ED has you will never know. If you care to go back it was her that brought her blue dog into the topic, on the other board same as here the thread was about white pups with black patches, not blues. If you think I will apologizing to her think again, she was making judgments without seeing, I constantly had photos of hers posted every time a similar thread came up. My point of 'you think you would know better' was due to previous dogs bad breeding then going to a breeder who breeds for 1 thing only colour, not health, not titles not anything but colour.
She has never seen pictures of my dog in stance or those I posted elsewhere to learn people, yes I do feel the length of his Metatarsus is 1.25cms too long in proportion to his overall leg length, But on photographs as you can not tell the overall size and length of all his bones/structure then it is irrelevant, you would have to see the dog in person, regarding angles then, he is out by approx 10degrees but then again if I didn't point this out neither you or her would even be aware! This is the difference between her and I, she has little knowledge on the structure of the GSD.
Maggie regarding your early abuse and vile if I knew your real name and your PIN number then I wouldn't hesitate in reporting you to the NMC, you are a disgrace to your profession and I certainly wouldn't want you caring for any of my family or friends glad we don't live near you.
First do you have any idea what a roach is? I doubt it and to an inexperience person such as you, you wouldn't even be aware even in feeling the dog, I stated slight if I remember correctly, by slight I mean .75cm, certainly not visible to the naked eye, not yours at any rate, but there again according to you all West German dogs are 'half frog half dog' aren't they? better than a dippy l
by Wildmoor on 18 May 2010 - 01:05
continued last sentence should read: dippy long back.
Nothing wrong with my eyes maggie seems like there is with yours though.
Whilst you have appeared again after all your searching, can you answer my earlier question which you didn't previously, Why did you bring my other breed into this thread? did you think people on here wasn't aware that I had another breed? once again I suggest you read back try searching for 'my non GSDs'
Re Zandi's elbows and the point you made re him being removed from the gene pool due to his ED again read back on this board and you will find that I have already stated he had been castrated and why, so again not sure what you are trying to achieve? do you?
Again I doubt there is any sincerity in you saying 'hope he's feeling a lot better'
I suggest you come back when you have spent time around thousands of GSDs, studied their movement structure etc maybe you will have learned something then, nothing I posted on the Dogsey will actually mean anything to you until then, maybe if you actually go and meet correct GSDs bred to the standard in their country of origin you might start to see some sense but don't forget your glasses.
Nothing wrong with my eyes maggie seems like there is with yours though.
Whilst you have appeared again after all your searching, can you answer my earlier question which you didn't previously, Why did you bring my other breed into this thread? did you think people on here wasn't aware that I had another breed? once again I suggest you read back try searching for 'my non GSDs'
Re Zandi's elbows and the point you made re him being removed from the gene pool due to his ED again read back on this board and you will find that I have already stated he had been castrated and why, so again not sure what you are trying to achieve? do you?
Again I doubt there is any sincerity in you saying 'hope he's feeling a lot better'
I suggest you come back when you have spent time around thousands of GSDs, studied their movement structure etc maybe you will have learned something then, nothing I posted on the Dogsey will actually mean anything to you until then, maybe if you actually go and meet correct GSDs bred to the standard in their country of origin you might start to see some sense but don't forget your glasses.
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