Lornaville Alsatians - Page 8

linedancer 13 say, ‘So please you have the type of dogs you want i have what i like right or wrong in your eyes and i do very well in the ring under the judges i want to go under thankyou.
As far as i am concerned my GERMAN SHEPHERDS fall in with the KC breed stand and that is good enough for me thank you’.

Unfortunately there are a couple of issues with that. There is an international standard for the German Shepherd Dog. It is the FCI standard not the Kennel Club standard. What the Kennel Club has is its own standard for a breed which it persists in calling ‘German Shepherd Dog (Alsatian)’.

Now, you put your finger on it when you say, ‘I do very well in the ring under the judges I want to go under’. If some of these judges promote a type which is not recognized anywhere else in the world except in the UK what is the justification for that? Is the rest of the world wrong? When we see the title of Champion bestowed on dogs which do not conform to what is internationally accepted as the correct type because people have done ‘very well in the ring under the judges they want to go under’ are we to wave our hats in the air for that? I think not. It is a situation to be deplored.

pETERLEE,yu are correct in wot yu say.i totally agree this situ.cannot go on indefinitely.it is really up to us to get this across to the KC.how.....god only knows as the KC in its ultimate wisdom will just not listen.the KC standard is just a shortened version of the german/fci standard(albeit wordes slightly different).its the interpretation by some that is at fault.maybe if we,germanics,were to refrain from the double handling at shows(hears gasps of ..yu must be joking)we may,just may come to some sort of compromise with them over our ccs.ive been in the breed since 1986 and showing since 87.then ,the germanics did not have many general champ.shows with the correct type judge.this year there,s only 3 that have a alsatianist type judge.we have lost 1 gen.ch.show because of double handling(border union)is it not in our own hands.refrain from DH and keep these shows with the correct judges or lose them to the other sides judges.we all know that the real contention with the KC..........IS DOUBLE HANDLING.wot do others think.i know that to some the shows will lack a bit of umph.,but to others ....all they want is to be at a show with a calm atmoshere.

Noddi when you say,‘the real contention with the KC..........IS DOUBLE HANDLING.wot do others think’, I can’t tell you what others think but I can tell you what I think. The issue of double handling is a 100% red herring. It has nothing to do with the health and fitness for purpose of the GSD or the correct type of the GSD. It is a distraction raised by the Kennel Club. And when people are mug enough to address that distraction the Kennel Club will raise another.

The issue is not about double handling. The issue is about whether or not the Kennel Club promotes the correct type of GSD which is internationally recognized or whether it supports and gives encouragement to a type of GSD which is only to be found in England and which has no international recognition whatever.

You are wrong about the Kennel Club breed standard. It is not ‘just a shortened version of the german/fci standard’. It is the Breed Standard for a breed which the Kennel Club (uniquely in the world) calls the ‘German Shepherd Dog (Alsatian)’. The last time I looked at the Kennel Club Breed Standard for this unique breed of dog it read, for example, ‘Ideal height (from withers and just touching elbows): dogs: 63 cms (25 ins); 2.5 cms (1 in) either above or below ideal permissible’. The FCI standard reads, ‘Dogs : Height at the withers : 60 to 65 cm.’

You may think that trivial but there is no excuse for the discrepancy. Germany is the home of the breed. Germany sets the rules for the breed. The Kennel Club sets its own rules. More important – and where this thread started - is the fact that the Kennel Club continues to use the word ‘Alsatian’. This encourages people who believe they are breeding the correct type of ‘Alsatian’ according to the Kennel Club standard for the dog. It is obvious to a blind man that the Kennel Club should change the name of the breed to the name which is used internationally, amend its breed standard to bring it into line with the FCI standard and penalize dogs of this unique and incorrect type which would be derided anywhere else in the world.

Bazza, you say, ‘leave these blind breeders to the KC, while the true international Gsd folk take the breed onward and upward.’ I agree with you. Onward and upward. There is one important thing, though. It is that the international type of GSD is a BETTER dog and there are good reasons why the international type is better. It is because, by and large, they are produced according to WUSV rules which have health, stamina and fitness for purpose requirements which are mandatory. There is a propaganda war here. It is important that the ‘true international GSD folk’ win that propaganda war. They have the better dogs. They have the best dog in the world. The public need to know it and why.

I thought you were not having any more to do with this site well that did'nt last long did it ????? as for my AMCH he had his prelims done , had his HEMO done here CLEAR and EYES clear  so  before you go shouting your mouth off get your facts right, he was booked in with Marilyn Baker to have his Hips/Elbows done would you like the date  ??? here but died the week   before  Of Liver Cancer and if you  would also like proof of that send me your address and i will gladly send you a copy of my vets report.
 No i am not looking for a pat on the back from any body thankyou.
 Like i said i do very well under the judges  i choose to go under Nuneaton Open Show today BAVNSC ,G1 and RBIS i will not be dictated  or bullied by any body and i for one will NOT and will NEVER use a German bred dog .
 I have nothing against them i just do not know enough about the bloodlines but i have the balls to say that and not be ashamed to say so , so right or wrong in yours eyes i really don't care what you think.
  i am not the one that  has to be worried about toplines,hocks or movement  .Like i said before my dogs come with in the KC breed standard..
 This my last comment.
 Linedancer.

linedancer- thank you for making that your last word on here-at least that gives me the chance to sum up.

Was the Nuneaton judge a mate of yours ( you  bet ) I notice also that you have not responded ( because you cannot I guess) to whats been alleged that you move faster than your dogs ( though thats saying something ) also I notice that its been alleged that their hind quarters have more in common with the floor than is required by the breed standard.
Have any of your judging friends in modern times judge a Breed club show ( affiliated that is to the Breed council ) just wondering ?
any how so pleased you have left this site as it was about German Shepherds ,not your type of dog!