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by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 17:10

Sunsilver, never mentioned you by name but..... if the shoe fits...... So it is alright for you to trash theses dogs with your limited knowledge but " don't trash me" is that what you're saying? Not one of these dog's owners/breeders have come on here and said they think this is a correct gsd, so where is your arguement? I am not the first here to comment on the nonsense you post, and i certainly won't be the last. I also never said you started this thread, but you were quick to get your" ugly file" out for the zillionth time!!! Always the same any mention of showlines, overangulation,etc. etc. and out comes Sunsilver's infamous "ugly file", rather immature don't you think? And this applies to anyone sad enough who sit their looking for BAD PHOTOGRAPHS of dogs to keep on file. Have anyone of you slagging of these dogs seen them in the flesh? Think how you would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. 9 times out of 10 you will find the handler is to blame for not presenting a dog correctly. Sunsilver, yes i too have a fully carpeted house, the dogs i have inside are confined to an area that is easy to clean during seasons, NOT CRATED. I do hope you take her panty pad, with gents underpants turned round to accomodate the tail, off before you enter the schutzund field,lol,lol. No real malice intended, just having a laugh at your dogs expense like you have done with the above. Unless of course you actually were commenting with malice!!!!!!

by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 18:10

I do hope all you honest to goodnes experts here have the permission of all the owners to post the pictures of the dogs for you to critique. Of course you have, silly me, you girls asked the owners if you could copy their dogs pictures to your " ugly files", and copy them here for an expert opinion, and all the owners said " yes, of course you can, you go ahead and slag them off all you like". I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!

by Sunsilver on 31 October 2009 - 18:10

Sunsilver, never mentioned you by name but..... if the shoe fits......

Yeah, riiight! Like there's ANOTHER person on the board who just bought a Shiloh pup!

I also never said you started this thread, but you were quick to get your" ugly file" out

Ten posts into the thread. Right. Real quick on the draw there!

Always the same any mention of showlines, overangulation,etc. etc. and out comes Sunsilver's infamous "ugly file",

You might want to go back and take a look. The dogs I posted included American dogs, as well as a Czech working line female. The 'Dogs That Catch Your Eye Thread' included two German showlines, and I could have posted more if I'd wanted to. Lots of 'em in my "Dogs I Like' file! I don't search these photos out deliberately, either the nice photos or the crappy dogs, but when one pops up that's really spectacular, into the file it goes...

9 times out of 10 you will find the handler is to blame for not presenting a dog correctly.

OMG, I nearly splurted coffee on my keyboard over that one! As if a handler is going to be able to correct a back that looks like a camel's, or pasterns that sag to the ground, or that poor Czech female who looks like she's crossed with a dwarf breed like a corgi! Yes, extreme stacks don't help, but if you look at the dogs I posted, most of them are stacked correctly, or, at least what's considered correct for their show venue (American lines.)

No personal malice was intended with any of those pictures. I don't know any of the owners or handlers.

by bazza on 31 October 2009 - 18:10

Now it's my turn to splurt the coffee. This has to be a joke no malice intended? Then go on to describe someones dog as being crossed with a dwarf breed like a corgi. You still have not answered if you have PERMISSION to use any photograph. My advice to you would be to stick to that other breed you have, you most certainly have a vast knowledge of them, just a shame nobody here is interested in Shiloh's. I'm sure they must have a forum of some sorts where you could advise people, it might keep you away from posting utter pish about gsd's.

by Red Sable on 31 October 2009 - 18:10

I disagree with you Bazza. This is a breed I love, the only breed actually. No one has given birth to these dogs, but someone is breeding very poor specimans, and someone else is putting them on the podium. That is WRONG!!! If it takes someone to show the wrong doings of breeders and judges to wake people up than GOOD. For every newbie looking for a GSD, I hope they read this thread.

If you want to trash my dog, go ahead. I didn't breed nor give birth to her. I already know her faults. Why would I take it personally? If I did breed a crippled looking dog, than shame on me, and yes, I deserve to hear about it.

This breed will never get out of the mess it is in if we all turn a blind eye and lie, lie, lie, "yes, you have a great dog there, you should breed it!"

by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 19:10

Bazza, is someone forcing you to read these posts? Perhaps you should skip over them if you find they
offend your delicate sensabilities. Who died and made you the be all and end all of this boards and German
Shepherds?

by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 19:10

And go ahead and trash me and my dog. I don't show or breed, never will. But my $150 BYB girl is
sound enough to run/trot 5 miles at a time, can fetch the ball far longer than I can throw it, is pleasing
to my eye and has a good life here.

by Ninja181 on 31 October 2009 - 20:10

I think what bazza is saying here is that although these aren't perfect dogs, a lot of them are so poorly stacked you really can't tell how bad the dog is. Go back and look at the first example on this thread. Instead of one of the rear legs back, they both are back, also past vertical. The rear feet are pointed like a clock at ten minutes to two, or two hockey sticks coming down the ice. Is the dog as bad as it looks? Or is the stack making it look ten times worse?

Also there was a past post about violating copyrights when using someone elses pictures without their permission. Many of the people here were all over the people doing this when of course they are probably keeping files on other peoples dogs. Hey we are probably all guilty of coping some pictures.

I guess I just wanted to say I know where Bazza is coming from after reading his posts.

by GSDSRULE on 31 October 2009 - 21:10

Why "stack" dogs anyway? Why not let them stand like nature intended? Then you couldn't say, it's the stack that
makes the dog look like that.

by Ibrahim on 31 October 2009 - 22:10

Hi,

I have little knowledge to comment on the above dogs, I think if I had the knowledge I would have commented on those pictures no doubt, I think if I also had my own file of extreme dogs I would have shared with you some photoes.
I think all of those who posted on this thread enjoyed themselves as the topic is important and at the same time interesting. If anything is wrong in this thread I do not think the blame should go only on Sunsilver as we are all guilty (If the thread itself is wrong) which I think is not.
When people post pictures of their dogs on the net, when they show them in the ring and when they put them in competition the dogs in a way become public. Others have the right to comment on them whether positively or negatively. If some one does not want others to comment on his or her dog then the dog should not be shown and brought to public.
The only thing which is wrong is to take a picture of some one else's dog and use it in an ill way such as pretending it is yours or use it in promoting your own product etc.
If the intentions behind a critique are healthy then there is no harm at all.

Ibrahim

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