IS THIS STUD DOG JRD TESTED ????????.

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by Trotters123 on 25 October 2009 - 14:10

Why do you insist on calling people stupid. Are you 12?
This is an open debate an people are entitled to have their own opinions and seek more information before making their own decisions.
You should have risen to this by answering the original well placed questions regarding this subject but instead YOU, Mr Pain just resorted to underhanded, child-like, nasty and down right insulting comments.

I would welcome any test which would hopefully halt this disorder BEFORE it took a hold on the GSD breed. Unlike other breeds, ie Standard Poodles, Apsos and Shi Tzus when they did too little too late.
I have still yet to find an article stating in the list of breeds affected naming the GSD, but this could be because these articles are out of date or the 'problem' is not as rife as to warrent a mention.

I will certainly be looking into the blood test and NOT the saliva test to be sent to Canada.

Frank

by Videx on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

Frank: Once again you PROVE you did NOT read the article I posted the LINK to above. You will see GSD mentioned in it.
Not in the "notably affected" thank god, further down.

I call people stupid, when they make assertions based on very limited or zero knowledge, especially when such comments or assertions are clearly uninformed, and illustrate a failure to comprehend information which is available.

"Opinion" illustrates many things about a person, in the above context! You clearly fail to see them.

Debate should be based on rudimentary knowledge of the subject and which due regard to all the facts and all reasonable and logical conclusions from all available information. Being "selective" or "biased" is not being "objective".
Being "ignorant" yet coming to a fundamental conclusion, when you are clearly not qualified to come to such a conclusion, is "stupidity" - and a Vet is NOT a "Genetic Scientist". - A car driver is not an airline pilot, a plumber is not a bricklayer, etc etc are you beginning to understand?

by tigermouse on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

Due to my posts being made blurry (MODERATOR) I am giving up trying To post the article.
If you want it Email me / PM me

by tigermouse on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

by petowner on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

Mr. Payne. I started this thread out of concern for a very nice couple who came to the club I train at . They were wanting to buy a german shepherd puppy so were asking questions about different breeders because they wanted to buy from someone that were known to be reputable breeders. They asked me about an expected litter they had enquired about that was sired by ' Imensee Jetski at Sonsaras' , they had written down that Jetski's parents were Zasko von Santamar and Videx Elskie. I looked up the ancestry to find that Jetski's dam was sired by Bygoly el Devino and having been a frequent visitor to your most informative website I found mention of Bygoly el Devino . My concern was that Zasko is a JRD carrier and from what I read on your site Bygoly el Devino could be a carrier so having both present on Jetski's pedigree I thought the risk of Jetski also being a carrier or worse was a very high risk . I had hoped that Jetski's owner or someone else would know if Jetski had been JRD tested or not ?. I am sorry if I have offended anyone , I did not think I was doing any wrong by asking.
Asking questions is the only way people can extend their knowledge. The breeder of the forthcoming litter was more than vague , the couple were unable to find the owner of Jetski hence the reason for my starting this thread. In hind sight maybe I should have asked your advice in the first place Mr.Payne, having said that I certainly do not want an argument or to be told I am stupid for asking what I considered to be normal questions.

by Videx on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

You stupid fool "tigermouse" - if you had even a semblance of intelligence and read what has been written on this thread, you would understand that ZASKO has JRD of less than 50% penitration, probably a very low penetration, of say 5%. This means he will show NO signs of JRD whatsoever throughout his life. Some of his offspring WILL be carriers, approx. 50%.
Some WILL inherit his mutated JRD gene, absolutely a scientific certainty.

A dog with Hip Dysplasia that scores a total of 10, still has HD, but it will never show any clinical symptoms. Such a dog could still produce some offspring with very high and very low hip scores, much like a JRD carrier can produce some dogs with JRD penetration LOW and some (hopefully none) with high penetration which WILL die of kidney failure due to JRD.

Christ! I doubt that you thick heads will even understand that.

A dog can live a healthy life with some damage to his kidney's -Like a human being can live with 1 kidney - (for the thick heads: Humans have 2)

by Videx on 25 October 2009 - 16:10

Petowner: yours is a very reasonable question.
YOU did NOT make any uninformed assertions, or any uninformed comments.

by tigermouse on 25 October 2009 - 17:10

Lets get this into perspective ..
Zasko has approximately 444 puppies in the UK approximately 222 will be carriers (excluding the litters abroad)

So in your estimation David how many will be suffering or dead???

Not to mention that one of zasko's parents must be a carrier....

by Videx on 25 October 2009 - 17:10

In perspective: JRD is NOT endemic in the GSD breed - YET!

Most offspring may well be "low penetration" and will have NO clinical signs.

Some may have been HIGH penetration, and died in the womb, or still births, or died later with kidney failure, and "kept quiet".

Do nothing and we RISK this JRD becoming endemic in our breed. How serious do you think it started in other seriously affected breeds?

What are the hip scores of all Zasko progeny? How many have HIGH hip scores?

How many GSD have HD? How many produce any High HD scores? How many GSD die of HD? Why should we continue screening for HD?

How many GSD JRD carriers are out there? How many females and males are JRD carriers?
HOW MANY GSD "HOMOZYGOTE" JRD CARRIERS ARE OUT THERE?

Perspective - you have got perspective -

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