Sloping backlines and over angulation - Page 7

Marko vom Cellerland

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=137-marko-vom-cellerland

 

aaykay, I will reply to your post about what Manfred Heyne said, I have some work on hand I will finish it and come back to you. For now, I tell you YOU ARE MISTAKEN about Manfred Heyne, and I will tell you why.

I'll side with manfred heyne, Ibrahim, because my dogs are cut from the same cloth. I will never abandon the true gsd for PC rhetoric.

Take a look at the female Lailana v Kirschental in the pedigree search. She is a mix of show lines with working sheepdogs as is seen in her mother line. She is the mother of my female Olline v Kirschental who is a dead ringer for her.

Mackenzie

That interview with Manfred Heyne was made in 2004. It is well known to those who have been following the development of GSD structure that overangulation started worsening in the nineties and reached its epitome in 2010 when SV stated in the revised standard a degree of 120 for the thigh bones angle plus a new description for the back "the topline runs from the base of the neck via the high long withers and via the straight back towards the slightly sloping croup without visible interruption’. So at the time of the interview in 2004 Heyne was talking about those VAs in late nineties when ring champions started showing rear looseness, and lack of stamina for work. To prove that Heyne is not against proper angulation have a look at his dog born in 1992 Alf vom Fafnerhaus

 

aaykay, I think this dog looks nothing like the dog Blackmalinoi posted earlier.

Kirschental is also well known for his lines of herding work, please look at past and work your way through to his dogs in nineties and see for yourself proper structure for tending sheep.

Ibrahim - The point to note is that most Kirschental females were put to show line males whilst retaining the Kirschental type in the progeny.

Mackenzie

Manfred Heyne didn't care for the so called show lines....but Karl Fuller used them and had one of the most, if not the most prolific herding lines of Black and Tan dogs.

Yes Mackenzie. I believe Heyne cared about proper structure but from work line more than modern show line

Look at the 1990 winner HGH

Amie vom Kirschental, she has good sufficient rear angulation

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=10874-amie-vom-kirschental