Breeder Rights? Breeder Greed? - Page 7

Jenni, how do you handle your dogs and the breeders they come from? 
Did you sign the same type of contract?  If you ever need to rehome your dogs,  what will you do with them?
  Do you feel your breeder(s) knows your dog(s) better than you because they have the mother? 

RS,

After reading all the posts and realizing what those clauses imply I know I want my daughter to have and care for my dogs when I am gone, no one else but my daughter. I can't imagine someone not relative nor a friend has MY dogs against my wish.

Ibrahim

            If a breeder trusts someone to buy from them IMO they should be able to trust them to find the dog another home should they need to. People that are selling these dogs I have noticed do not buy dogs on contract where they cannot sell them. What makes a breeder the absolute best person to decide what is right for a dog? Is there a difference in breeders that mass breed for sales hving a contract like this one versus a hobby breeder who does not make their living on these dogs and only breed to have dogs from their lines to continue showing? I do not believe a commercial breeding kennel uses contracts like this for the dogs, but more for their pocket IMO.


       I am very sorry and extend my condolances to the friends of the deseaced and wish them much peace and closure.

A real eye opener this board is,  isn't it Ibrahim.   I hope lots of newbies read this thread, and a few others before they buy a pup.

Many years ago a good friend of mine who had Miniature Pinschers - some of the top ones at the time decided that life was not worth living.  He crated all of his dogs, placed all thier paperwork on their crates, put a gun in his mouth and ended his life.  Three days later when no one had heard from him police entered his house and found him and the dogs.  Dogs were promptly carted off to the shelter with no thought to keeping paperwork with the proper dog.  He left no will , there were no contracts about retun of dogs and no designated power of attorney.  Now like any other peice of property, the stove, the fridge or so forth all of these dogs were turned over to the family he had been astranged from for years.  As long as they thought they were going to get big $$ of the dogs they were cared for but as soon as it became clear the AKC would not transfer ownership of the dogs w/o a power of attorney the dogs were all dumped at a shelter despite offers to take them and place them.
Since that time I have made provisions in my will for all the dogs , I also added a provision in my contract than if the buyers died the dogs come back to me. 

First off all of you need to have a proper will outlining what is to become of your dogs, you need a power of attorney for AKC matters so someone can take care of all appropriate paperwork.  As for dogs I breed and place yes I do have a return clause - I will always have one because I am responsible for these dogs and I never want one to end up on Craigslist or in a shelter. 

Part of me understands the breeders feelling of responsibility and another part of me says, once you sell a pup, the buyer is responsible.  If you really don't trust them, don't sell to them, or don't sell pups. period.

Do you breeders sign the same contract as your buyers do, when you buy a dog?  Judy?

I agree everyone should have a will and provisions made for their animals.  I have a huge family that I trust, no will as of yet.  I keep thinking I better get on it.

Red Sable, yes I will sign the same contrat if that is what the breeder requests.

"However, I will never understand how anyone with a heart can think that the sale of a dog is the same as the sale of any other type of personal property."

In the eyes of the law, a dog is a commodity and the fact that it is a living breathing creature only makes it different from pens or sugar in terms of what steps might be necessary to create, produce and deliver a good canine product with value to the buyer.  

That may seem harsh, but it's a lot less harsh than what we'd see if we started to treat the dog as something else and opened up the door for the PETA freaks to control how we own and manage them.  

As a breeder my first concern is for the puppy that I produce.  In a great many cases when  puppy is returned it is due to either a health issue or its a dog that that particular owner can not control and in most cases slipped thru the interview process.  I always try to make certain my puppies go to forever homes but there is the odd case where that does not happen.  So rather then someone who cannot keep the dog wants to return it I will always take that puppy back, even if it has issues.  If the person claims its a health issue then I want verification from a state licenced vet not just the word of the person and it better be something that was not caused by the owner.  In a case like that my guarantee stipulates I will replace the puppy at no charge from a new litter.  In no case will I refund the money paid for the dog.  However in my contract it states that should I rehome the puppy and charge a fee to do so I will refund to the origional owner the fee minus any expenses incured while finding the dog a new home.  Its my opinion that a breeder is better able to rehome one of their own puppies even if it has a health issue then someone who does not want the expense of a dog that has health issues or just does not want the dog anymore.  There have been a few issues over the years that I have taken a dog back and refused to compensate the origional ower a dime which is my perogative.  Lucky for me so far I have not had any serious issues with health and those I have had to rehome came from families that just plain lost interest or they lost a job or the dog was to much for them.  Steve

What exactly does this mean, as you say, "

Its my opinion that a breeder is better able to rehome one of their own puppies even if it has a health issue then someone who does not want the expense of a dog that has health issues or just does not want the dog anymore.

...because this does not apply to the OP's case, except that I did wonder, would the breeder in this particular instance be so eager to reclaim these dogs if they had heartworm or the beginnings of DM or cancer of some sort? 

And what more reason, that a breeder is best at rehomeing, except that they think they have better connections in the animal moving business. Hypothetical, of course.




..and for Keith, if he reads this,  part of Musical Dogs?