PARVO!!! - Page 6

You can stand by your statement all you wont but you are just sadly flat out wrong.  Symptoms do not need to be present for a patient to have a disease, though a person is most often diagnosed with a disease when symptoms appear.  For example, person who inherits Huntington's has the disease their whole life but symptoms do not usually manifest until later in life.

A person inoculated with rabies has the virus in them, and the rate of death is almost 100% without treatment.  Giving a vaccine and rabies antibodies will cure the patient of the rabies and prevent death up until the point that symptoms appear.

I wont rehash the treatment protocols for rabies exposure, you can look them up on your own and realize that you are again wrong.  The rabies antibody is not always give to a person exposed to rabies.

We use Neopar for puppies first dose of Parvo. It does have much more tendancy to override mothers antibodies in the puppies. With other vaccines, there were a lot more cases of Parvo in vaccinated puppies UNTIL we started using the Neopar vaccine in our area. It has done very well.

Thanks Hunger for the Tamiflu pointer. That can be very useful to many..

Judyp I think your vaccination schedule is a very good one to stay on top of potential diseases.
I do that same thing. You never know when monther's passive immunity will leave any given puppy in a litter, hence the continued vaccinations for the duration. Most all pups will have lost their mother's immunity by 4 months of age, and usually respond to the vaccines by then.

The measles vaccine  can  override mother's antibodies for Distemper.

Stephanie, Keep that puppy quarantined away from all others and be sure to clean and feed completely separate from the others. No back and forth between well pups and sick pups. Change shoe/boots/clothes and whatever you need to  between sick pup and others, for preventive measures. It may not be Parvo, but don't take the chance. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
Bonnie.

Here you go, from the CDC:

http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/medical_care/index.html 


This is exactly what I said for people who have never had the vaccine prior to a bite and were exposed to rabies.  The CDC tends to agree with me.

Just for the record, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any competent HCP who would give a person the diagnosis of "Rabies" if they came into the ER after just being bit by a rabid animal.  Again, the IgG and vaccine will prevent the disease from developing, not cure the disease.  Vaccines don't cure diseases; post-exposure prophylaxis does not cure a disease, it helps prevent the necessary viral replication that will lead to the disease.  Think of HIV+ folks - you wouldn't diagnose them with AIDS, would you, just because they were HIV+?

Basic immunology principles.

1. She never said this bitches were bred back to back. How are you assuming they were all bred their previous heat cycles?
2. Also, depending on the studs availability, and when they come into heat, and when YOU can personally manager the litter(s) will depend on how many bitches get bred. IMHO i dont see a problem with breeding multiple bitches at once if THAT is how timing pans out. If you can accomodate the litters, what is the problem?

Lay off guys.

Your AIDS HIV analogy proves my point perfectly.  When you have human immunodeficiency virus, you are in a diseased state even though symptoms are not apparent right off.  Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is the final manifestation of the disease caused by HIV.  Finding a way to kill the HIV would cure a patient with that disease even though symptoms of HIV were never seen.  Think of having the rabies virus as having HIV and AIDS as the symptomatic rabies.  I will repeat, one does not need symptoms to have a disease which is what I think you are struggling with.

I'm sorry I cant explain this to you any better so that you will understand.  I can see that being wrong is upsetting for you, so I will let you have the last say; it will make you feel better.

I am not upset at all - just scratching my head that you ignored my link to the CDC Web site which confirmed what I said about the rabies prophylaxis; and for the fact that you do not understand that vaccines do not cure diseases.  Any doctor, PA, NP, nurse, immunologist, infectious disease specialist, etc. would tell you that.

Also, again, any competent doctor would not diagnose someone as having rabies just because they were exposed.  Yes, many diseases can be present without symptoms, no one ever denied that, but someone does not have the disease (rabies in this instance) just because they were exposed.  The virus would need to replicate in order to cause the disease - this is prevented with the IgG and the vaccine.

Vaccines do not and will not cure a disease, period; they prevent the disease from taking hold in the body. 

Same thing with Varicella, HBV, tetanus, etc.  If we are exposed, we are given prophylaxis to prevent the disease from taking hold.  Once it has taken hold, the vaccines will not cure the disease! 

Please show me any links you can find (reputable) that confirm that vaccines cure diseases!  Then I will admit I am wrong.

human women can have babies, one a year, and their uterouses age, how many have had babies back to back, conceiving first period after pregnancy?  Not just two children either, how about 5 or 6 with no break, since its natural?  I am interested in hearing what woman who have experienced pregancy themselves have to say about resting or getting it all over with asap.  Did you take a break or not, and did you have easy or difficult pregnancy/births?  Every human doctor I know recommends a minimum of 6 months break between pregnancies, and some two years.  The body needs time to recover and heal.

It's some what illogical to compare dogs and humans, especially when talking about ethics and biology of reproduction.  A dog comes into heat for the first time around 6 months, menarche for girls is around 12 years.  Reproductive lifespan of a human is 4 times longer than that of a dog.  The gestational period for humans is 9 months compared to a dogs 2 months.  Lifespan of a human is in the 70s to 80s year range, while a dog's lifespan is around 12 years.  You want to know why a dog should be bred each cycle when it is difficult for a human to do so.  But the cells of a dog and a human at a genomic level are programmed differently, and thus can not be compared in the manner for which you want to compare them.  A dog's body is programmed to recover faster than a human's body between cycles.

If we were to apply human ethics to dogs, we should not take puppies away from the dam or sell the puppies because we do not take human babies away from their moms and sell them.

I'm still amazed at the resiliency of Mrs. Duggar's body...19 kids in 24 years.

"I'm still amazed at the resiliency of Mrs. Duggar's body...19 kids in 24 years."

Someone should tell her that a vagina is not a clown car.

Keith, that doesn't count because they didn't come out all at the same time.LOL