What do I need to ask for? - Page 6

50ish;
That depends on what/who the parents are.
Untitled untested sire/dam- $350 newspaper special
Titled/koered and tested-$800E and up, so about $1050+-$1800
Puppies from proven producers, previous successful breedings etc may/will run you more.
With WG showlines, the "sky is the limit"

Ballpark average is usually about $1500-$1800.00 for a puppy from
an established breeder with proven titled/koered lines.

I believe you can get the type of GSD your looking for @ 800-1000. From there I will agree with WDZ post on pricing. Hope you find all your looking for. Pete

I am going to respectfully disagree isachev.

A well bred WGshow line from good, proven parents is going to cost somehwere from $1000 and WAY up. I would gestimare, the OP is looking at about $1500 for a puppy!

@ WDZ, knowing what I know now, thanks to all of you and the great information on this site, I would not get a "newspaper special." What does "koered" mean please? I looked over my notes and could not find that term?  Also, does "WG showlines" mean (WG) West German?

This is what I'm totally hoping to find..." Puppies from proven producers, previous successful breedings etc may/will run you more."


@Isachev - thanks. Every opinion helps.


@GDSPACK - at least I have a ballpark now, thanks.
 

I'm looking at these parents that will be bred in October 2012...what do you think?

Father: 
Our very special new male:
V-1 Ax Redox SchH 3, KKL 1a
hd-normal, ed-normal, ZW:75, OFA DM normal/normal, coat length normal/normal
 
Mother: 
V-1 Victoria Redox SchH 1, KKL 1a (lbz),
hd-normal, ed-normal, ZW: 87 

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OR...In June 2012, the same Father with this Mother:

Mother: 
V-2 Jill vom Theishof SchH 1 (97-93-80p, 270 SG), BH, AD, hd-normal, ed-fast normal, ZW: 82 

Is the "ed-fast normal" on this mother a concern?

50ish;
Koered means Koer classed/ breed survey.
A breed survey is where a Koer Meister will critique and measure the dog and compare
against the FCI/SV breed standard for everything from teeth (correct bite, missing teeth etc),
pigment to eye color to toenail color, as well as overall structure etc.
They then assign a rating of Koer Klass 1 (recommended for breeding),
or Koer Klass 2 (suitable for breeding).
Either is perfectly acceptable for a breeding dog provided temperment etc is all good as well.
The Koerung will require the dog to have hips and elbows done, and after 2yrs
(I believe it has changed to this now? it's been a day or two since we last koered a dog),
the koerung must be redone or the original rating will expire.

The judges critique everything about the dog from movement to coat length/type etc.

WG does indeed indicate West German.

As far as finding a puppy from proven producers, I will one last time recommend Heidi.
She has several generations of her own breeding, and has handled enough black and red dogs over the years,
she can tell you a LOT about which lines bring what qualities etc.

By the way, I forgot to add, if the male puppy has a missing/undescended testicle or longer coat,
you should pay a little less than a "standard" companion graded puppy.

Time to go stir the chili!

That is a question for the breeder, ask the breeder because she knows the bloodlines.

Koerklassed or breed survey involves the following in the U.S.

PREREQUISITES FOR BREED SURVEY PARTICIPATION  3.1.  USA Registration 
Dogs must be registered with USA if the owner resides in the United States.
 
3.2.  USA Membership 
Owners of the dogs must be current members of USA if residing in the United States. If the dog is co-owned, the signature-authorized owner must be a current USA member.
 
3.3.  Age Requirement 
Dogs must be a minimum of two years old in the year of the survey.
 
3.4.  Performance Title 
Dogs must have at least one performance title (SchH1-3, VPG1-3, IP1-3, or HGH) obtained under a USA-recognized performance judge, and a BH obtained under a WUSV-recognized judge. Dogs with an HGH title are not required to have a BH title.
 
3.5.  Endurance Test 
Dogs must have passed an endurance test (AD) under a USA-recognized judge; however, this requirement is waived for dogs with an HGH title and dogs that are six years and older.
 
3.6.  Hip Certification 
Dogs must have a USA-recognized hip certification with tattoo number or microchip identification. Note: Check with the USA Office for a current list of recognized hip certifications.
 
3.7.  Breed Show Rating 
Dogs must have a breed show rating of at least “good” obtained under a USA-recognized breed judge in the youth, young dog, or working dog class.
 
3.8.  USA-Recognized Judges 
The judges who are recognized by USA are USA judges, SV judges (including SV foreign judges), and Canadian judges.
 
They are then evaluated by judge and rated KKL1 or KKL2 if they pass, meaning they are either highly recommended for breeding or they are suitable for breeding.

Showline showing good pigment, again from Bullinger Kennels in Canada this is Vicky:

50ish;
I agree with GSDPACK, ask the breeder about the ED rating.
As far as the breedings you listed? I know less than nothing about current showlines,
so cannot help you. Again, I would ask the breeder, then, you can always come back
and ask about certain dogs on here,  there is a load of conformation line people
on this board that can tell you about lines.

Wish I could offer more, but modern showlines have never been our preference.

Pigment and color are two different things, a dog can have fading saddle/mask etc,
but still have good pigment. There was a trend years ago that the black was almost
all but disappearing on some showlines. That seems to be currently out of "fad",
and the strong black mask/saddle are coming back. Not so many years back, you
could actually find showlines that almost looked like washed out sables they had so little black!